Americas The big May 17 Announcement / Pricing / Discussion thread.

[ChasingOurTrunks]

I built out two. I’m assuming no matter how I build it, I’d have to add the touring accessories that don’t come from Ineos like a fridge, tent, etc. to either build.

My first build is my minimum acceptable spec - as in, if my gren didn’t have certain things from the factory it would be unsuitable for my needs, and those things would be difficult to address over time with the aftermarket as factory options are the best bet. That one came out at $114k CDN

My second spec which is my ideal spec and includes everything I need comes out at $136,000 CDN.

That’s G-Wagon territory. This is meant to be a tool for the bush, but they’ve priced it at a level where it’ll mostly appeal to rich hockey players and successful musicians. The New Defender is actually cheap in comparison. The version of that which would suit my needs, and is closest to my “bare minimum acceptable spec” Grenadier comes out to only $88k CDN. If I want air suspension, I’m tickling $90k.

This is a very, very expensive vehicle here.

 

[Michael Gain]

Same price as I paid for my 75th anniversary edition power wagon.

I have to be honest. For the money, the power wagon has greater capability/utility.

At this point it's a novelty I guess. We'll see what my wife says and where she wants to assume risk with other obligations.

Like most of you, it's a balance between buying exactly what we want; or settling just to have it..

Edit: grammar

 

[Krabby]

In case no one noticed, here's the extremely vague map.

 

[BroncoBilly]

I built out two. I’m assuming no matter how I build it, I’d have to add the touring accessories that don’t come from Ineos like a fridge, tent, etc. to either build.

My first build is my minimum acceptable spec - as in, if my gren didn’t have certain things from the factory it would be unsuitable for my needs, and those things would be difficult to address over time with the aftermarket as factory options are the best bet. That one came out at $114k CDN

My second spec which is my ideal spec and includes everything I need comes out at $136,000 CDN.

That’s G-Wagon territory. This is meant to be a tool for the bush, but they’ve priced it at a level where it’ll mostly appeal to rich hockey players and successful musicians. The New Defender is actually cheap in comparison. The version of that which would suit my needs, and is closest to my “bare minimum acceptable spec” Grenadier comes out to only $88k CDN. If I want air suspension, I’m tickling $90k.

This is a very, very expensive vehicle here.

I cross shopped a defender yesterday in preparation of grenadier pricing and I've come to the same conclusion. My first vehicle was a 1964 88, my last might be a 2024 110. I just may have to learn how to live without that stupid jacket.

 

[crashnburn]

I cross shopped a defender yesterday in preparation of grenadier pricing and I've come to the same conclusion. My first vehicle was a 1964 88, my last might be a 2024 110. I just may have to learn how to live without that stupid jacket.

I honestly prefer the Barbour jackets than the Belfast ones

 

[ShaunS91]

In case no one noticed, here's the extremely vague map.

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Great I'll be 500 miles from the nearest, I'm in the middle of the US.

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

I cross shopped a defender yesterday in preparation of grenadier pricing and I've come to the same conclusion. My first vehicle was a 1964 88, my last might be a 2024 110. I just may have to learn how to live without that stupid jacket.

I can buy myself a defender, give you a Belstaff jacket and then pad out your wardrobe with Fjallraven pants, shirts, and premium socks and skivvies, and even give you a pair of boots for free, and still come out about $36 grand ahead!

 

[grenadierguy]

Yeah guys this is a little hard to swallow. I was expecting it to be pricey... I think I need to start cross shopping.

 

[Norville]

One thing that also explains the high price is the terrible fuel economy. At 14 and 15mpg, I suspect it is being hit with a gas guzzler tax, which I think is baked into the price. From this chart, looks like it is around $5000USD.

Gas Guzzler Tax

What Is Gas Guzzler Tax? The term “gas guzzler tax”, which was introduced under the provisions of Energy Tax Act 1978, is a federal excise tax applied

www.wallstreetmojo.com

That alone might have me walk away. My F250 diesel can hit 20mpg in highway driving.

That's a good question as IA says not including taxes in the price which means is this something actually out of pocket in top of normal taxes?

 

[STACHES]

I built out two. I’m assuming no matter how I build it, I’d have to add the touring accessories that don’t come from Ineos like a fridge, tent, etc. to either build.

My first build is my minimum acceptable spec - as in, if my gren didn’t have certain things from the factory it would be unsuitable for my needs, and those things would be difficult to address over time with the aftermarket as factory options are the best bet. That one came out at $114k CDN

My second spec which is my ideal spec and includes everything I need comes out at $136,000 CDN.

That’s G-Wagon territory. This is meant to be a tool for the bush, but they’ve priced it at a level where it’ll mostly appeal to rich hockey players and successful musicians. The New Defender is actually cheap in comparison. The version of that which would suit my needs, and is closest to my “bare minimum acceptable spec” Grenadier comes out to only $88k CDN. If I want air suspension, I’m tickling $90k.

This is a very, very expensive vehicle here.

Mine came in at $10k more than my comparable Defender build. And the Defender would have the Windsor leather seats.

 

[BroncoBilly]

I honestly prefer the Barbour jackets than the Belfast ones

me too. I was in Newcastle to see a Paul Carrack concert at the Sage Gateshead just before covid and made the jaunt out to Jarrow to pick one up from the factory store.

 

[Krabby]

That's a good question as IA says not including taxes in the price which means is this something actually out of pocket in top of normal taxes?

If I'm taking another $5k out of pocket on top of the truck build itself I am out too.

 

[Sphinx]

That's a good question as IA says not including taxes in the price which means is this something actually out of pocket in top of normal taxes?

If I'm taking another $5k out of pocket on top of the truck build itself I am out too.

No, that's not correct, under US law the gas guzzler has to be reflected in the window sticker. It used to be a clear separate line item but I'm looking at a sedan that is subject to it where there it is baked into the factory price.

Dealers don't add it as a separate line item on the sales paperwork.

My point was that it partially explains why the IG is costing more than any of us expected.

 

[Krabby]

No, that's not correct, under US law the gas guzzler has to be reflected in the window sticker. It used to be a clear separate line item but I'm looking at a sedan that is subject to it where there it is baked into the factory price.

Dealers don't add it as a separate line item on the sales paperwork.

My point was that it partially explains why the IG is costing more than any of us expected.

Gotcha - I'm not sure if I've ever noticed TBH.

 

[grenadierguy]

Mine came in at $10k more than my comparable Defender build. And the Defender would have the Windsor leather seats.

Those are some smart looking seats!

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

Mine came in at $10k more than my comparable Defender build. And the Defender would have the Windsor leather seats.

And the US prices for the Gren seem a lot less “oof” than the Canadian prices, even beyond exchange rates. I can see why a car company might not want to sell too many vehicles in the second largest country on earth with only 40 million people in it — hard to build a support infrastructure sustainably in our Canadian density realities — but the strategy of making them more expensive than an airplane is an interesting way to go about it.

And I’m not even really joking with that airplane comment. Want a vehicle to go remote and have an adventure? Here’s one that is comparably priced to the Gren! (okay, it’s USD but the point stands!)

 

[RobP]

Also only 18 in alloys available on Fieldmaster.

I noticed that. Too bad as I wanted the Fieldmaster to be available with the 17" dark alloys. I'm not a fan of the beadlock look. Seems you can spec the base with them and add back all of the Fieldmaster options.

 

[Norville]

Gotcha - I'm not sure if I've ever noticed TBH

I'd still want to confirm. I've never had a vehicle in that threshold of needing that tax. I do remember it as a separate line item on a window sticker on some of the early "offenders". I've never seen it baked-in on front end pricing but I'm not familiar with the regs how that is communicated to the end buyer. Still makes me concerned, regardless.

 

[Krabby]

I noticed that. Too bad as I wanted the Fieldmaster to be available with the 17" dark alloys. I'm not a fan of the beadlock look. Seems you can spec the base with them and add back all of the Fieldmaster options.

Kidding aside, and logistics aside, I bet we could collectively put together a swap program amongst one another. RAIs, wheels, etc. I might be heading towards a build (instead of a straight TM) but a TM buyer might want to sell off his RAI and would accept less than the $850 IA want. Just a thought.

 

[G-Tank]

Does the price include the "Destination Cost" as well?

Also, how many gallons fuel tank does it have?