Americas The big May 17 Announcement / Pricing / Discussion thread.

[pioneerofthenile]

I don’t think it’s a case of just scaling back - in my case we aren’t talking about roof racks and snorkels. Here’s the details on my Gren build that ends up being $113k and why I can’t/don’t want to scale back these options:

Base wagon, white, steel wheels. I went for the KO2s which do not increase the price.

Utility Trim.

Heated front seats - I love and travel in a country that can often get to -40 Celsius. Heated seats are a very, very important “nice to have” but ultimately way cheaper from the factory than aftermarket.

I did opt for both Saddle Leather and for a premium sound system. Saddle leather is for longevity and durability — I strongly dislike covers for steering wheels. I spend a lot of time driving so having a comfortable grip and a good audio system are important to me. That being said, I do concede I COULD do without, and that would save me about $2k. But I wouldn’t want to, and neither of these things are easy to add after the fact.

I went for the Rough pack for the lockers, the integrated winch, and the tow package. My reason behind the winch is that the aftermarket has yet to show us what they will produce in terms of bull bars. If I skipped on that, I’d have no real time horizon on when they’d be available. An ARB bar is likely to run me about $2300 delivered, based on bars for similar vehicles. Plus the winch, which would be another $800. The difference is caught in the factory wiring; I could do that myself after the fact but the cost savings when compared to my time and the overall fit/finish are moot - but there might be a few hundred bucks of wiggle room here. Let’s be generous and say if I ditched the winch, and did it afterwards, I’d be another thousand ahead. Not having a winch is not an option though. A tow package cannot be easily added afterwards, in particular the wiring. A hitch and brake controller are east enough but the ease of wiring would depend on where the Grenadier’s loom ends.

I’ve added Safari windows - nearly impossible to add afterwards - and the utility belt, which I want to have from factory because that is then an engineered, rated mounting point and it eliminates any issues with a DIY solution.

And with all that, I’m at $113k CDN. No racks, snorkels, tinted windows, dual batteries, etc. - much of which I’d want and would have to add later.

Comparably, the new Defender I built is substantively similar - I can stand up on my seat and take pictures through the roof, it’s got the tow pack, best available off road package, and exceptionally good sound systems and long wearing interior. And it’s nearly $25k less than the Grenadier.

Our global tour that we are planning has a “shoe string” budget of $2500 per month all in - fuel, food, etc. That’s nearly a year’s worth of travel in the New Defender for the money saved on the Gren.

The Jeep can be built in a substantively similar way, and with that option I’d probably be saving closer to 18 months of travel in terms of cash.

I don’t expect I’ll see many of these in the bush. Maybe in the valet line of the Fairmonts, though.

you have plenty of stuff you can get rid of and add at a later date.....saddle package? premium sound? axe the winch..+ get rid of those soon to be leaky safari windows as well

 

[MaddMatt]

There will be no "next level" deposit in the US from IA. GC explained this in a recent Q&A video.

Thanks - I must have skipped over that one...

 

[JonSutton]

Compared to UK pricing - I think it is fair.

I agree, seems broadly in line with what I’m paying in the UK. Perhaps a little less but not by much. Hope they sell, certainly look different and appealing in the market.

 

[Paachi]

Okay after so much deliberation and waiting, today when the pricing finally dropped I was extremely disappointed on 2 counts.

1. The pricing is off by 15% for me.
2. 14 mpg is a non-starter..severely limits range. I was really surprised by this

I understand that for many folks this is actually a perfectly good price, but when coupled with the aspect of reliability from a new brand and the fuel economy/ tank range, this truck is a no go for me

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

you have plenty of stuff you can get rid of and add at a later date

I’d be interested to see your math on that.

Lockers? Yup I can add them after. Front and rear ARBs will run about $3k here before installation - assuming they will be offered, with no time horizon on that. Getting them from Ineos is a $3500. To add them later is letting nickles get in the way of dollars.

Winch? Already did the math on that above. I can do without and add later, but it’s a few hundred bucks of savings if I don’t include the time I’d invest doing the work and figuring out which bits and pieces I want on there.

I’ve already conceded on the saddle leather and sound system. That’s $2k savings.

Some things I cannot add later in reasonable ways, like safari windows.

So assuming I trim all of those “optional” things off, and even ignoring the cost of adding them later, I might be generously saving $10k on my purchase price. Heck, let’s be generous and literally double that estimate to $20k less than I’ve configured it, that puts me at around $93k.

That’s spitting distance of a New Defender, which is still cheaper - and which comes with all the stuff I just got rid of on my Gren - and it’s STILL $10k more than a cream-of-the-crop Jeep.

That’s nuts.

 

[STACHES]

The Jeep can be built in a substantively similar way, and with that option I’d probably be saving closer to 18 months of travel in terms of cash.

I don’t expect I’ll see many of these in the bush. Maybe in the valet line of the Fairmonts, though.

There is a used Gladiator Mojave near me with less than 10k miles for $40k less than my Grenadier build. $40k buys a lot of travel and toys for me lol

 

[bmore_burnsy]

I've got mine down to 87,280. I'm starting to understand why they gave us two weeks before placing final order.

I'm down to $85,055. And I'm sure my wife will find additional options to trim...

 

[pioneerofthenile]

I’d be interested to see your math on that.

Lockers? Yup I can add them after. Front and rear ARBs will run about $3k here before installation - assuming they will be offered, with no time horizon on that. Getting them from Ineos is a $3500. To add them later is letting nickles get in the way of dollars.

Winch? Already did the math on that above. I can do without and add later, but it’s a few hundred bucks of savings if I don’t include the time I’d invest doing the work and figuring out which bits and pieces I want on there.

I’ve already conceded on the saddle leather and sound system. That’s $2k savings.

Some things I cannot add later in reasonable ways, like safari windows.

So assuming I trim all of those “optional” things off, and even ignoring the cost of adding them later, I might be generously saving $10k on my purchase price. Heck, let’s be generous and literally double that estimate to $20k less than I’ve configured it, that puts me at around $93k.

That’s spitting distance of a New Defender, which is still cheaper - and which comes with all the stuff I just got rid of on my Gren - and it’s STILL $10k more than a cream-of-the-crop Jeep.

That’s nuts.

fk the safari windows...fk the lockers. go grim reaper on your build

 

[grenadierguy]

whatever the price of your build is everybody has to add 10k to it. so...65 or 71 was always going to be approximately 75/81 out the door

so...81k out the door for a base model

I'd be curious what you attributing that to.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

I'd be curious what you attributing that to.

10k extra on top of your build is basically ttd. this isn't a wakeup amount that should come as a shock

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

**** the safari windows...fk the lockers. go grim reaper on your build

Sure. Or I could save $110k and just buy a nice bicycle.

But then that wouldn’t really meet my needs.

My point is that while no vehicle checks ALL of my boxes, the Grenadier checks most of them. The Jeep and New Defender both check almost as many boxes as the Grenadier, and they do so for tens of thousands of dollars less money.

Thats a significant gap. I’m not buying a Grenadier to be “seen” in a Grenadier. I’m buying a tool for a job. To use an analogy, I need a tool to tighten bolts to a reliable tension. The New Defender is a fancy Snap-on electronic torque wrench that will beep at me when it reaches spec. The Jeep is a needle-style torque wrench that shows me how tight the bolt is on a handle-mounted gauge. The Grenadier is a click type torque wrench that promises a good ol’ manual feel, reliable service, and is the kind of tool most mechanics would say is the best design. But you can tighten a bolt to a specific tension with all three tools.

And somehow the click-type Grenadier makes the Snap-On new defender look cheap.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

I'm down to $85,055. And I'm sure my wife will find additional options to trim...

you're on your way

 

[STACHES]

I think the flip market will be interesting. I could buy mine next door in Oregon with no sales tax, and sell it without registering it for 20-30% more? With less than 5000 in the entire country, people with more money than sense will pay for them.

 

[Krabby]

I'd be curious what you attributing that to.

FWIW - A TM is just about $80k so in NJ that is about $5,600 in tax. Then let's say $1,200 destination fee, $500 registration fees, and $500 misc fees, and that's nearly $8k on top of the truck's price. I think we're all in similar figures with respect to those things.

 

[BD1]

The 14/15 mpg seems low vs what UK petrol people are reporting (after converting for US/UK gallons).

 

[grenadierguy]

10k extra on top of your build is basically ttd. this isn't a wakeup amount that should come as a shock

Got ya, tax, title, and delivery.

 

[Krabby]

I think the flip market will be interesting. I could buy mine next door in Oregon with no sales tax, and sell it without registering it for 20-30% more? With less than 5000 in the entire country, people with more money than sense will pay for them.

Can you buy a vehicle unregistered? You can't beat the taxes here - lots of NJ folks were going to Delaware to buy cars because they have no sales tax, so NJ makes you pay tax upon registration of the vehicle. When I bought my Raptor in Florida, I paid NJ the sales tax.

 

[emax]

does your DE price include VAT?

Yes, end user price.

 

[STACHES]

Can you buy a vehicle unregistered? You can't beat the taxes here - lots of NJ folks were going to Delaware to buy cars because they have no sales tax, so NJ makes you pay tax upon registration of the vehicle. When I bought my Raptor in Florida, I paid NJ the sales tax.

Yes, farms and ranches do it all the time out west.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

Sure. Or I could save $110k and just buy a nice bicycle.

But then that wouldn’t really meet my needs.

My point is that while no vehicle checks ALL of my boxes, the Grenadier checks most of them. The Jeep and New Defender both check almost as many boxes as the Grenadier, and they do so for tens of thousands of dollars less money.

Thats a significant gap. I’m not buying a Grenadier to be “seen” in a Grenadier. I’m buying a tool for a job. To use an analogy, I need a tool to tighten bolts to a reliable tension. The New Defender is a fancy Snap-on electronic torque wrench that will beep at me when it reaches spec. The Jeep is a needle-style torque wrench that shows me how tight the bolt is on a handle-mounted gauge. The Grenadier is a click type torque wrench that promises a good ol’ manual feel, reliable service, and is the kind of tool most mechanics would say is the best design. But you can tighten a bolt to a specific tension with all three tools.

And somehow the click-type Grenadier makes the Snap-On new defender look cheap.

the jeep seems like a poor fall back option. I can't even begin to think what a let down a jeep would be to the grenadier. so much so, I would start dropping anything I could from my build to get to the price I need to be at.