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Americas The big May 17 Announcement / Pricing / Discussion thread.

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I'd still want to confirm. I've never had a vehicle in that threshold of needing that tax. I do remember it as a separate line item on a window sticker on some of the early "offenders". I've never seen it baked-in on front end pricing but I'm not familiar with the regs how that is communicated to the end buyer. Still makes me concerned, regardless.
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Ha ha - this is silly overpriced.

Of course these are different vehicles, but just for a quick comparison - the Ranger Raptor was announced yesterday. Seems to be built solidly weighing in at over 5,000 pounds. It has a fully-boxed frame, reinforced for extra strength at suspension points. It has a better crawl ratio than the Grenadier (around 67:1), and it has lockers front and rear. Has a payload of 1,400 pounds (excellent for a mid-size pickup in the U.S. though not as high as the Grenadier at around 1,800 pounds), and the 3.0 turbo-charged V6 makes 405 horsepower, and 430 lb/ft. of torque. Pricing starts at $56,960 and that is close to fully loaded (not a lot of options with the Raptor trims).
 
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Does the price include the "Destination Cost" as well?

Also, how many gallons fuel tank does it have?
I doubt destination is included - that'll be another grand. The tank is nearly 24 US gallons.
 
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I don't know what many were thinking but based on the initial price plus the close to 15% inflation bump the price was going to land right where it did. I know nobody wanted to hear that, and were hopeful for a lower price, but everything is expensive in the usa now

just scale back on upgrades. I see that some peoples minimum builds are including close to 10k in extras. get in under 5 and you're at 76ish. + tax and others things.....that puts it at around 83 out the door for many

my build came out to 80k. pretty sure I could make more hard choices to get it down as well...staring down at 90k out the door. does make me frown and reflect like many. well,...if you were pessimistic about pricing it comes under 100k which could make some feel better that it's not even more expensive.

realistically thinking the price had to be closer to 100k than 65k
 
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Pricing seems expected. If the buy were just for me alone, I'd absolutely do it. Because my SUV choice must be the family transportation mobile, I'm not sure there's enough in there for everyone. My current family LR has an internal satellite navigation system, heated steering wheel/seats/front windshield, and a reasonably comfortable ride (mostly quiet, not great but acceptable maneuverability on the highway at speed, and surprisingly nimble and accurate with city and parking lots), and yet it's also been fine with light off road capable needs (very long gravel trails, muddy and potholed roads leading to more pitted driveways, flooded streets, nothing too difficult where I'd need a locking diff!) Unfortunately for me, I have only one space for my next SUV:cry:, so it has to be comfortable and feature rich on the inside, yet durable on the outside. This is very difficult find: The LC would have been my target next purchase if they still sold it in the US- I find the LX way too flashy and impractical. I'm budgeting $85-90k, but I seem to have only 2 choices: an unbreakable IG that has astounding off-road features paired with what is perhaps not as on-road nice to my family; or the same sum for a 2024 110 i6, with great on-road manners, but likely needing more trips back and forth to the dealer, paired with what is likely to be a host of small bugs in the technology used in control everything in the new defender. I've visited Jeep dealer and sat in their Wagoneer - great inside, but it's bigger than I would need. No Wranger or Bronco is a suitable 110 alternative for my purposes, given they have limited space inside for passengers and a non-loadable roof. The IG seems like it is large enough and dependable (my goals), but I'm not sure the entire family has enough features available in it to make the purchase. IG may eventually offer an optional "family" package that has all the creature comforts for buyers that have to have available the best of both worlds (on and off road). I'm going to test the IG on the road when I can, and after that I'll make a decision. I look forward to the dealer information so I can visit and spend quality time testing out the IG!
 

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Pricing seems expected. If the buy were just for me alone, I'd absolutely do it. Because my SUV choice must be the family transportation mobile, I'm not sure there's enough in there for everyone. My current family LR has an internal satellite navigation system, heated steering wheel/seats/front windshield, and a reasonably comfortable ride (mostly quiet, not great but acceptable maneuverability on the highway at speed, and surprisingly nimble and accurate with city and parking lots), and yet it's also been fine with light off road capable needs (very long gravel trails, muddy and potholed roads leading to more pitted driveways, flooded streets, nothing too difficult where I'd need a locking diff!) Unfortunately for me, I have only one space for my next SUV:cry:, so it has to be comfortable and feature rich on the inside, yet durable on the outside. This is very difficult find: The LC would have been my target next purchase if they still sold it in the US- I find the LX way too flashy and impractical. I'm budgeting $85-90k, but I seem to have only 2 choices: an unbreakable IG that has astounding off-road features paired with what is perhaps not as on-road nice to my family; or the same sum for a 2024 110 i6, with great on-road manners, but likely needing more trips back and forth to the dealer, paired with what is likely to be a host of small bugs in the technology used in control everything in the new defender. I've visited Jeep dealer and sat in their Wagoneer - great inside, but it's bigger than I would need. No Wranger or Bronco is a suitable 110 alternative for my purposes, given they have limited space inside for passengers and a non-loadable roof. The IG seems like it is large enough and dependable (my goals), but I'm not sure the entire family has enough features available in it to make the purchase. IG may eventually offer an optional "family" package that has all the creature comforts for buyers that have to have available the best of both worlds (on and off road). I'm going to test the IG on the road when I can, and after that I'll make a decision. I look forward to the dealer information so I can visit and spend quality time testing out the IG!
Well said, I feel the same, though I am not a fan of the new 110 plastic exterior looks. But after seeing the pricing today, I don't think I could afford any more Ineos family comfort options.
 
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There is a note to the final price "† The price shown is the Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) and does not include the cost of installation and local sale taxes. The purchase and installation of Accessories must be agreed upon directly with an INEOS dealer."

The part that concerns me is "does not include the cost of installation". I believe I have seen/read where some people have received their IG without some ordered accessories because they weren't available at the time or not factory installed. Does this mean I will have to pay more money if I happen to order an accessory that wasn't available at the factory? Also, does anyone see a delivery charge anywhere or is that already included?

Accessories with an * is "The selected feature is a removable accessory that will be supplied and installed by an INEOS dealer". This includes rock sliders, checker plate, etc.

So look at what you check, the price could be going up further.
 
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Does the price include the "Destination Cost" as well?

Also, how many gallons fuel tank does it have?

23.7 gallons = 332 miles of range. Not terrible.

91 octane recommended, 87 required.

As for destination charges, per my chat this morning with Ineos, no it is a separate line item. Yikes.

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That puts it at $85K for my config + 7% state tax. I'm out. That makes for a damn nice used G-Wagen.
 
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Breaks my heart, as I’ve been signed up for the interest list when it was just a conversation and reserved on day one. At $86k for my build pre tax and license, I’m feeling like the smart move it to pass. I think they’ll sell at this price, but maybe not to me.
Don't be too quick to cancel: test it out and give it a chance. I would think - living in LA - that freeway driving the IG would be a HUGE deciding point? If it's bad on the highway at speed, it's out, but what if it's acceptable as a road tank? How easy or difficult is the IG to parallel park at the local grocery store? What about blind spots and visibility to compensate for jay walking pedestrians staring at their phones and not the cars? If you signed up on day one, I would think you'd want to test it out in LA and see how it handled. Just me, but this is such a unique offering, I'm going to give it every chance to show itself as livable as a daily drive SUV.
 
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23.7 gallons = 332 miles of range. Not terrible.

91 octane recommended, 87 required.

As for destination charges, per my chat this morning with Ineos, no it is a separate line item. Yikes.

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That puts it at $85K for my config + 7% state tax. I'm out. That makes for a damn nice used G-Wagen.

The more I learn about the cost the more I'm leaning towards getting another Defender. Sold my 2020 Defender when used car prices went crazy.

More interested in the next gen 4Runner but who knows when that will actually arrive... too long a wait.
 
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whatever the price of your build is everybody has to add 10k to it. so...65 or 71 was always going to be approximately 75/81 out the door

so...81k out the door for a base model

That puts it at $85K for my config + 7% state tax. I'm out. That makes for a damn nice used G-Wagen.
 

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I think the Taco information expected Friday will be a good indicator of the new 4Runner's capabilities. If Toyota offers F&R lockers from the factory, that bodes well for the Trail Hunter trim on the 4Runner.
 
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Now that the pricing is on line in the North America, I'm sure we'll have multiple, long threads on the subject, so I thought I'd add my opinions to the general noise....

Overall, pricing is less than I expected - last week I configured my "dream" build in UK pricing, and when I did a straight currency conversion, it came out to $101,000. Same build on the NA site today is roughly $93k, so slightly less. I can get it down to the mid 80's by removing the winch, rear table, snorkel, probably a couple other things. But on the other hand, "cry once" and get it done is appealing. If I'm overspending to get something because I want it, I might as well get it the way I want it.

In my opinion at $70k this is a no brainer, but I never thought it would be that cheap, at $90k its a tough sell, so from a business perspective they probably priced it exactly right. If a person is truly in the $90k for a new vehicle class, they are either going to buy it or not, but they are not going to quibble over pricing, that's left for people like me who are stretching to buy it, but really want it.

It's cool to see that there is a 'base' model now available, and an upgraded audio option, but what that is other than a subwoofer is unclear. I can add a subwoofer later if necessary, but any adventure in North America starts and ends with hours of highway driving, so decent audio is pretty important.

At some point I read somewhere that the next level of deposit, around $5k or so, would still be refundable. Based on what I learned today, I'm still in if that's the case, but my final decision will have a lot to do with whatever financing options are available at the point of final sale. If the next round of deposit is non-refundable, then I'm going to have to make a tough choice....
 
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23.7 gallons = 332 miles of range. Not terrible.

91 octane recommended, 87 required.

As for destination charges, per my chat this morning with Ineos, no it is a separate line item. Yikes.

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That puts it at $85K for my config + 7% state tax. I'm out. That makes for a damn nice used G-Wagen.
That range, frankly, is garbage for a vehicle produced today. Now factor in around HALF (or worse) the fuel efficiency when bouncing around off road. That's the thing I absolutely hate about my '21 RAM...a 31 gal joke of a tank at 12 mpg on pavement (camper, 37s, etc.). And the EPA here making it extremely painful to add aux gasoline tanks.
 

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whatever the price of your build is everybody has to add 10k to it. so...65 or 71 was always going to be apron 75/81 out the door
NJ tax (just under 7%) plus tags and title will run around $6,500k for me - and we'll probably have to add another $1,200 for delivery.
 

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That range, frankly, is garbage for a vehicle produced today. Now factor in around HALF (or worse) the fuel efficiency when bouncing around off road. That's the thing I absolutely hate about my '21 RAM...a 31 gal joke of a tank at 12 mpg on pavement (camper, 37s, etc.). And the EPA here making it extremely painful to add aux gasoline tanks.
All of my F150s (including Raptor) had 36s - was super aggravating that my AT4 only had 24!
 
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Don't be too quick to cancel: test it out and give it a chance. I would think - living in LA - that freeway driving the IG would be a HUGE deciding point? If it's bad on the highway at speed, it's out, but what if it's acceptable as a road tank? How easy or difficult is the IG to parallel park at the local grocery store? What about blind spots and visibility to compensate for jay walking pedestrians staring at their phones and not the cars? If you signed up on day one, I would think you'd want to test it out in LA and see how it handled. Just me, but this is such a unique offering, I'm going to give it every chance to show itself as livable as a daily drive SUV.
No, I don’t need to spend time and effort convincing myself. There are endless options out there, especially as an on-road driver. I saw the new EV 7-series about 6 months before it came out. For $120k, it’s a steal, especially when compared to a Model S. It’s a mini Rolls Royce. I’d say that car it worth the $, and I have loved all the BMWs I’ve owned (including current 530e). At $85k+ the Grenadier has too many unknowns for me. Somewhere in the 70s, I would have taken the risk.

Plus, living in LA, in three years, I can pick up a lease return that’s never seen dirt.
 

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Now that the pricing is on line in the North America, I'm sure we'll have multiple, long threads on the subject, so I thought I'd add my opinions to the general noise....

Overall, pricing is less than I expected - last week I configured my "dream" build in UK pricing, and when I did a straight currency conversion, it came out to $101,000. Same build on the NA site today is roughly $93k, so slightly less. I can get it down to the mid 80's by removing the winch, rear table, snorkel, probably a couple other things. But on the other hand, "cry once" and get it done is appealing. If I'm overspending to get something because I want it, I might as well get it the way I want it.

In my opinion at $70k this is a no brainer, but I never thought it would be that cheap, at $90k its a tough sell, so from a business perspective they probably priced it exactly right. If a person is truly in the $90k for a new vehicle class, they are either going to buy it or not, but they are not going to quibble over pricing, that's left for people like me who are stretching to buy it, but really want it.

It's cool to see that there is a 'base' model now available, and an upgraded audio option, but what that is other than a subwoofer is unclear. I can add a subwoofer later if necessary, but any adventure in North America starts and ends with hours of highway driving, so decent audio is pretty important.

At some point I read somewhere that the next level of deposit, around $5k or so, would still be refundable. Based on what I learned today, I'm still in if that's the case, but my final decision will have a lot to do with whatever financing options are available at the point of final sale. If the next round of deposit is non-refundable, then I'm going to have to make a tough choice....
There will be no "next level" deposit in the US from IA. GC explained this in a recent Q&A video.
 

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I don't know what many were thinking but based on the initial price plus the close to 15% inflation bump the price was going to land right where it did. I know nobody wanted to hear that, and were hopeful for a lower price, but everything is expensive in the usa now

just scale back on upgrades. I see that some peoples minimum builds are including close to 10k in extras. get in under 5 and you're at 76ish. + tax and others things.....that puts it at around 83 out the door for many

I don’t think it’s a case of just scaling back - in my case we aren’t talking about roof racks and snorkels. Here’s the details on my Gren build that ends up being $113k and why I can’t/don’t want to scale back these options:

Base wagon, white, steel wheels. I went for the KO2s which do not increase the price.

Utility Trim.

Heated front seats - I love and travel in a country that can often get to -40 Celsius. Heated seats are a very, very important “nice to have” but ultimately way cheaper from the factory than aftermarket.

I did opt for both Saddle Leather and for a premium sound system. Saddle leather is for longevity and durability — I strongly dislike covers for steering wheels. I spend a lot of time driving so having a comfortable grip and a good audio system are important to me. That being said, I do concede I COULD do without, and that would save me about $2k. But I wouldn’t want to, and neither of these things are easy to add after the fact.

I went for the Rough pack for the lockers, the integrated winch, and the tow package. My reason behind the winch is that the aftermarket has yet to show us what they will produce in terms of bull bars. If I skipped on that, I’d have no real time horizon on when they’d be available. An ARB bar is likely to run me about $2300 delivered, based on bars for similar vehicles. Plus the winch, which would be another $800. The difference is caught in the factory wiring; I could do that myself after the fact but the cost savings when compared to my time and the overall fit/finish are moot - but there might be a few hundred bucks of wiggle room here. Let’s be generous and say if I ditched the winch, and did it afterwards, I’d be another thousand ahead. Not having a winch is not an option though. A tow package cannot be easily added afterwards, in particular the wiring. A hitch and brake controller are east enough but the ease of wiring would depend on where the Grenadier’s loom ends.

I’ve added Safari windows - nearly impossible to add afterwards - and the utility belt, which I want to have from factory because that is then an engineered, rated mounting point and it eliminates any issues with a DIY solution.

And with all that, I’m at $113k CDN. No racks, snorkels, tinted windows, dual batteries, etc. - much of which I’d want and would have to add later.

Comparably, the new Defender I built is substantively similar - I can stand up on my seat and take pictures through the roof, it’s got the tow pack, best available off road package, and exceptionally good sound systems and long wearing interior. And it’s nearly $25k less than the Grenadier.

Our global tour that we are planning has a “shoe string” budget of $2500 per month all in - fuel, food, etc. That’s nearly a year’s worth of travel in the New Defender for the money saved on the Gren.

The Jeep can be built in a substantively similar way, and with that option I’d probably be saving closer to 18 months of travel in terms of cash.

I don’t expect I’ll see many of these in the bush. Maybe in the valet line of the Fairmonts, though.
 
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