With the price being in the high price point already then they hit me with with a dealer markup, I believe that will be the deal breaker for me.
With the price being in the high price point already then they hit me with with a dealer markup, I believe that will be the deal breaker for me.
Someone said that this is a bespoke small batch 4x4 that cannot be compared to a Jeep or Bronco, BS. This is exactly what it should be compared to. It should not be compared to a G-wagon or maybe even a defender, it has none of the fit or finish of those vehicles, sorry but it’s a rudimentary tractor at best (but in the best possible way).
OK, but I'll keep it brief, today has been a mare,
There have been a few rage quits, no personal abuse and me smacking my head on the door of the disco and a couple of butterfly stitches for the pleasure.
As far as the Grenadier pricing for NA, I was expecting maybe 5k less, starting with a 6 (to emotionally make things easier) out the door before taxes but that wasn't so. I'm sure that over the next few days we will have a lot of number crunching and see that the price is more or less in line with elsewhere. Thats an assumption on my part buy the way.
Theres one big thing that keeps slapping me in the face like a cold wet fish, and it's the comparison to other vehicles. Comparing to other vehicles its ability is, I'm sure slightly better or worse and in some cases equally as well, but the big thing that niggles at me is what can we compare this to realistically speaking for the quality of engineering behind the stuff stuff. With that I'm referring to chassis thickness, thickness and overall strength of the individual suspension and steering components the links that transmit the forces between the axles, chassis, steering and running gear, the list is pretty big on this front and I could go on but you get where I'm headed with this. For instance How many vehicles available today straight out of the door can you stand on the front wing?
Just the weight alone can tell a tale with this vehicle.
The other large untold cost of really using a vehicle like this is the ongoing maintenance costs to keep it in great shape. If the engineering is there then this should be reasonably small on the user for a good while.
For me and I'm sure many here, this is a tough one, it's a head - heart thing. One thing that I'm sure of, they will sell like hot cakes and the second hand market will be ferocious in 2 years when a certain crowd have had enough.
Enough from me, I need to send some Questions off to INEOS Americas
It's 400 W more than the rest of the world gets
I forgot to add PDI and transport costs. So not complete end user price but around USD 1000 additional costs.
If it started at $60K you wouldn't have Recaro, Brembo, BMW, Carraro, Red Winches, Eibach, Bilstein.
Exactly. Many of the comparisons are meaningless , esp once you start speccing the unique features.
I have said it more than once but again... if it was a $60K vehicle I wouldn't be buying it
You can take off the 3 Jeep products and LR's - those are considered the two lowest rated of all auto brands in the US based on reliability.....
That is fantastic.
The dealers require a higher margin as they will also be paying up front for the stock, whereas the agents accept a lower margin but do not have to tie up cash in inventory.
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No Fee fee? Or "convenience" fee? That's my personal favorite.
I bring this back to a question I posed after I attended the NY drive event - exactly "who" were we expecting? Who is the crowd that will buy them?
If dealers play games - and I cannot find an honest one who will sell me the truck for list without tacking on BS crap I can't avoid - I'm out for certain. If I cannot put faith in the people/dealership I will have to deal with for the life of my vehicle (at launch there will be very few dealers to choose from - 20ish in the total country, whereas there are more than 30 Toyota dealers in NJ alone), I won't go ahead. I don't need to be wined and dined or offered cappuccino when I'm there, but I do need to be looked in the eye while shaking hands with honest people whose word has value.
Your question is on point and unfortunately we will place orders without knowing who or where those dealers are. Choice will be limited but thankfully can be switched pretty late in the game.
I agree 100% and this reality certainly explains why it's not a $50,000 truck. I have explained it like this - IA went to the greatest auto parts store in the world and grabbed most parts from the top shelf. The brands you have listed (and there's many more Tremec, Dana, Rhino, etc....) are all top notch and would be premium upgrades in most vehicles.
