Americas The big May 17 Announcement / Pricing / Discussion thread.

[Drausch1976]

Can buy Roo bar because they didn’t do the crash testing with it on there. So it has to be aftermarket is what I was told at the drive event.

 

[Drausch1976]

Can buy Roo bar because they didn’t do the crash testing with it on there. So it has to be aftermarket is what I was told at the drive event.

***Can’t

 

[Drausch1976]

I also think as a new stand alone Ineos Dealer that they would be reluctant to charge 5-10-20k over sticker if you are brand new to the Ineos family. That’s not a good way to start a relationship. The dealers that have been marking up the broncos, Raptors and LR’s have been dealers for 10-20years and felt they could get away with it based on long term volume . Tough to do that from the start without a lot of backlash from Ineos.

 

[Sphinx]

One mystery solved - from the Car & Driver article that @Stu_Barnes posted elsewhere, "Prices start at $73,100 for the entry-level base Station Wagon and $80,190 for either of the two uplevel trims. Those prices include a $1600 destination charge."

 

[YellowLab]

I also think as a new stand alone Ineos Dealer that they would be reluctant to charge 5-10-20k over sticker if you are brand new to the Ineos family. That’s not a good way to start a relationship. The dealers that have been marking up the broncos, Raptors and LR’s have been dealers for 10-20years and felt they could get away with it based on long term volume . Tough to do that from the start without a lot of backlash from Ineos.

Ineos has told me in several conversations that if you were one of the original reservation holders - I reserved the day the reservation option was available, there would not be a dealer mark up - and the dealers had to honor the sticker pricing. After the first wave of deliveries for the US - its subject to what ever the dealers want to charge.

 

[Sphinx]

I also think as a new stand alone Ineos Dealer that they would be reluctant to charge 5-10-20k over sticker if you are brand new to the Ineos family. That’s not a good way to start a relationship. The dealers that have been marking up the broncos, Raptors and LR’s have been dealers for 10-20years and felt they could get away with it based on long term volume . Tough to do that from the start without a lot of backlash from Ineos.

Never gonna happen. If the true believers here can't swallow hard and buy the car at today's price, do you really think that typical soccer-mom & dads are gonna pony up over sticker for an unknown brand with unknown reliability and no luxury? Mark my words, car will be discounted inside of 6 months. No one is buying these at over sticker, because if you can afford that, you want every butt massaging option you can fancy. At a minimum, you want your golf buddies at the country club to know what you drove. None of the IGs will go off road but bet my golf buddies don't either in any vehicle (FWIW, I don't play golf, just picking on golfers).

 

[nobody_asked]

One mystery solved - from the Car & Driver article that @Stu_Barnes posted elsewhere, "Prices start at $73,100 for the entry-level base Station Wagon and $80,190 for either of the two uplevel trims. Those prices include a $1600 destination charge."

@Sphinx were you the one that talked to Ineos and it didn't include the destination charge? I hope the article is correct.

 

[Barney]

Hy guys, the pricing in NA has really stirred you up. I hope things turn out well for you. Also in Europe the prices with equipment are not a bargain. Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to the Grenadier and hope to keep it for a very long time. And I always thought you guys in NA were cool with the petrol/diesel prices and consumption...

 

[Zimm]

Only on page 12 as I write this so, I'm likely to be repeating observations...

I've always viewed this as a discount, modernized '96 G320, more than a defender replacement, if only because of Magna design influence, and "lego block" construction of a real defender not being realistic in a safety oriented world...

But I'm at $93,000.00 USD, and I have a Europa '96 G320...

My configuration makes my groin dance but... I dun'know. It's not the inexpensive utility truck I was dreaming of 4 years ago, but I still like it. I don't see me wanting it without the options, but I'm having a hard time wanting to pay for those options. I keep feeling like I'm 20g over what my brain was wanting to toss money at. I keep thinking that BMW drivtrain I wasn't enthralled with is to blame for this. An isuzu diesel or a chevy ls would have been just fine for me, and frankly I think better.

Nothing like this ever as advertised, I knew that coming in, but it was definitely worth the shot, even if the 450 wasn't refundable. I did cancel an imitation D110NAS build ,a copy of my old one I regret selling, to wait for this. Maybe I'll go back to that.

Anyway, I was expecting 85 after comparing AUD to USD, and I thought that was stretching the value. now 95?

I'll be in Wales drinking the second half of June and July when the decision is due, which will hopefully isolate me from my typical impulse purchase.

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[Sphinx]

@Sphinx were you the one that talked to Ineos and it didn't include the destination charge? I hope the article is correct.

Correct. I posted the chat with her this morning.

 

[Drausch1976]

I’m happy to take the $90k bonus depreciation in 2023 on my tax return since it’s over 5000 lbs. offsets the higher price.

 

[Sphinx]

I’m happy to take the $90k bonus depreciation in 2023 on my tax return since it’s over 5000 lbs. offsets the higher price.

That's actually a really good point - for business owners who can take the depreciation, that might be the only use case that actually makes some financial sense.

 

[G-Tank]

I’m happy to take the $90k bonus depreciation in 2023 on my tax return since it’s over 5000 lbs. offsets the higher price.

Does it qualify under Section 179 for Tax?

 

[40man]

Ineos has told me in several conversations that if you were one of the original reservation holders - I reserved the day the reservation option was available, there would not be a dealer mark up - and the dealers had to honor the sticker pricing. After the first wave of deliveries for the US - its subject to what ever the dealers want to charge.

I spoke with their rep last week. They said the U.S. dealer lobby has gotten very protective laws for dealers, so basically Ineos can't prevent them from upcharging preorders. We will be able to switch dealers any time before it is loaded for delivery, so we have power to tell a marking up dealer pound sand. Now if they all mark up prices, then as my uncle Hamish would say, we're all fooked.

 

[stickshifter]

This is a big middle finger to the US customers. Loved how their reasoning for the first hike was shipping costs and supply chain. Well those are back down and looks like we didn’t see any price reliefs. Not only that but now they’ve walked back their statements on pricing being fixed. Turns out the dealers get to charge fees for everything so they get a cut. That $80k edition is starting at $90k whether you like it or not. They just said what they did for pricing so everyone would spread the word.

Wonder how much of this is to help fund their truck and EV

Frankly, the whole project has been a big middle finger to the US customers. It was never intended to be tailored to what many - not all, but many - Americans look for in a 4x4, whether you are talking about tire size or power (the Grenadier will hit North America as the least powerful 4x4, for its weight, in the entire market). Apart from the transfer case - made by Tremec - nothing has been sourced from North America, despite many excellent options. This is a Euro-spec car, and Ineos and Sir Jim have no need to apologize for that. But I also have no need to give them my money.

As to the various comments about "we shouldn't be surprised by the price" - back when some of us first put in a reservation, pricing was projected to be $50-60K. Of course, many things have changed since then, and inflation has punched everyone in the nuts, but its a long way from $50-60K to $85-100K.

 

[bmore_burnsy]

Mark my words, car will be discounted inside of 6 months. No one is buying these at over sticker, because if you can afford that, you want every butt massaging option you can fancy. At a minimum, you want your golf buddies at the country club to know what you drove. None of the IGs will go off road but bet my golf buddies don't either in any vehicle (FWIW, I don't play golf, just picking on golfers).

I disagree. The Grenadier is going to do just fine as a low volume niche vehicle in the States. You'll see one or two in the country club parking lot but that doesn't mean they won't go off road. (Mine will do both.) I don't see any becoming rock crawlers at this price point, but how many Ferraris, McLarens, Porsches, and Lamborghinis see track days in the States?

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

Craig, I would HIGHLY suggest reconsidering F&R lockers. From IA is $2250 installed. These are Eaton e-lockers; ok, maybe not as ultimate as ARB air, but remember to add in at least $750 for an air compressor (then where are you going to mount/store it?). Then add wiring to OEM switches. And this is only possible IF ARB comes out with air lockers for rare Carraro axles. I'm not risky lockers afterwards; configuring them now.

Fully agree with you Jeremy! I was responding to another member who suggested the opposite (that lockers can be added later) -- technically yes, but practically it makes way more sense to get them from Ineos.

Great post overall - I agree with what you wrote!

 

[Sphinx]

I disagree. The Grenadier is going to do just fine as a low volume niche vehicle in the States. You'll see one or two in the country club parking lot but that doesn't mean they won't go off road. (Mine will do both.) I don't see any becoming rock crawlers at this price point, but how many Ferraris, McLarens, Porsches, and Lamborghinis see track days in the States?

It maybe a niche vehicle, but it still needs to sell a certain volume to be profitable for the company. And for the dealerships to be profitable. And at this price point, I don't think they can sell 25,000 of them worldwide (which is the number Sir Jim mentioned) on a consistent basis.

 

[painter]

They just said what they did for pricing so everyone would spread

Thank you for spreading the buzz and for those early reservation deposits, thank you for helping bring this project forward.

Now we are abke to offer this exclusive vehicle to richer people.

As our gift to you we will continue to to give you the opportunity to purchase from our fine collection of road bike race team inspired clothing and eye wear.

We look forward to your continued support.

 

[G-Tank]

We need to add 'Sir Jim" to this conversation