Americas The big May 17 Announcement / Pricing / Discussion thread.

[Reducs]

A similar build in UK is $74308 GBP or $92,683 USD However, since UK pricing has 20% VAT built in, and there is no VAT in the U.S., many of us expected to see equivalent pricing (sans VAT).

Most of us have to add in sales tax when we buy on top of this. So we were expecting an equivalent pre-tax price which would have been $74k USD (plus a few thousand for transport, etc). Instead we are seeing about $85,000 before we add taxes.

This was exactly my thinking/hope. My pipe dream base was $60k, with a pessimistic expected base of $65k.

If IA really wants to win over those of us with reservations (and you know they're following reactions on here closely!), we'll get a very fast follow up with something like "Use promo code 'SirJimLovesYanks' for 10% off through June!".

 

[Blynch87]

So much for $65K to start.... Sigh...............

 

[pioneerofthenile]

I already replied but missed your comment on the safari windows.

There’s a specific use case there that I want - the ability to stand on the seat and take pictures from relative safety. Both the 110 and the Jeep offer this functionality which is another reason for that comparison.

They may leak like you said but when camping a good rinse off is usually not a bad idea so I’ll call that a feature of all three vehicles, not a glitch

from my perspective it doesn't sound like you want to make rather easy concessions to reduce the price. do you really need a sunroof in order to stand up inside the vehicle and take pics of the outside.

 

[Aurans]

Imagine my surprise when I opened the build configuration page and saw a price of $90,000 for my previously configured Grenadier.
Base price for a Grenadier Fieldmaster or Trailmaster is $79,000. Adding some of the extras that I really wanted pushed the price to $85,000. Here's my predicament - I can go onto Autotrader today and buy a TRD 4Runner AND a TRD Tacoma for me and my wife - for the same money as my desired Trailmaster!
Furthermore, I can also get a nicely spec'd Defender 110 SE for $73,000. Now if money is no object - which for a lot of people it is - price is not a factor.
But the initial intent of Project Grenadier was to put a utilitarian, stripped-down, workhorse in the hands of people who do have a budget to work with. Ineos is a for-profit company launched during the most disruptive of times in (COVID, high-inflation, world-wide political instability, etc) and for that I applaud them for seeing the project through.
But I won't be seeing one in my garage anytime soon.

Totally agree. For what the Grenadier is meant to be, I won’t pay the asking price. It would be a lot more fun building up an old Toyota to mee

A similar build in UK is $74308 GBP or $92,683 USD However, since UK pricing has 20% VAT built in, and there is no VAT in the U.S., many of us expected to see equivalent pricing (sans VAT).

Most of us have to add in sales tax when we buy on top of this. So we were expecting an equivalent pre-tax price which would have been $74k USD (plus a few thousand for transport, etc). Instead we are seeing about $85,000 before we add taxes.

Plus, there’s typically not a direct conversion rate in vehicle pricing between the UK and US. Equivalent Defenders don’t seem to be UK + 25% = US. To me, Ineos is using market-based pricing in a market that is beginning to soften, especially for IC trucks.

 

[bmore_burnsy]

Was anyone else surprised by the 14-15 mpg rating? I was hoping for around 20, and I thought we saw some examples of petrol versions getting at least that in other parts of the world. Not a deal breaker, but disappointing. U.S. emissions equipment dragging it down perhaps?

I expected 17-18. Maybe I'm naïve, but I was surprised by 15.

 

[Krabby]

Also, if you are getting the "Premium Sound", you cannot get the AUX Battery.

I know. Bit of a disappointment, but I think I would get more benefit in everyday life with a better sound system. If the infotainment setup was more traditional one could upgrade it himself, but with everything integrated that's hard to do.

Thankfully, there are companies like KICKASS that make "portable" aux battery solutions. Not the same by any means, but it's a possible path - especially for people like me who will not be overlanding around the world but rather trips here and there throughout the year.

As I write this though, I had a thought. Provided the head unit in the upgraded system is better (because of the uprated amp), one could relocate the sub and reclaim that space for a second battery. Understandably there's work to be done, but it's an option.

 

[STACHES]

do you really need a sunroof in order to stand up inside the vehicle and take pics of the outside.

You would have to be pretty short to stand up inside the vehicle without a sunroof

 

[RoyalWulff]

I will continue with my purchase as I was expecting around a 100k for a complete build but it does seems Ineos has misread US market demand re: pricing.

 

[CryHavoc]

from my perspective it doesn't sound like you want to make rather easy concessions to reduce the price. do you really need a sunroof in order to stand up inside the vehicle and take pics of the outside.

How else would he do it?

And...ever been to Africa? This is where he intends to go, and having that access from the safety of the vehicle is...yes...important.

 

[Krabby]

from my perspective it doesn't sound like you want to make rather easy concessions to reduce the price. do you really need a sunroof in order to stand up inside the vehicle and take pics of the outside.

@ChasingOurTrunks Clearly stated that yes, the safari windows are something he needs in order to safely accomplish something he will specifically be doing. I cannot speak for others in this respect, but from my view the challenge here is more than just need v want. If one is seriously considering spending $80-$100k on a truck, it really sucks to have to make any concessions, let alone "sacrificing" something that directly affects one's ability to complete a specific task.

 

[Norville]

I'm now thinking of just trading in my old Tacoma for a new '24 (was keeping it originally alongside the IG since I need a real bed load space) PLUS a used 2018+ Porsche Cayenne S or GTS.

I'd rather get the IG outright ... just taking it all in.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

How else would he do it?

And...ever been to Africa? This is where he intends to go, and having that access from the safety of the vehicle is...yes...important.

pretty sure making it out of certain parts Chicago at night would be equally as hard

watch the movie judgment night.

 

[jamgolf]

I was expecting/hoping my build to be around $82K range but its actually around $97K. I can afford to buy it but I am not sure if thats the right thing to do. With all the gremlins and what not, I am not as sure about moving forward as would have wanted to be. I'll probably still submit an order but will 100% back out unless ALL the issues being experienced by our European friends are sorted out.

At ~$100K I will have ZERO tolerance for any spurious warning lights or gremlins. It better be bullet proof in terms of dependability and reliability.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

You would have to be pretty short to stand up inside the vehicle without a sunroof

the unintended comedy is great.

 

[Norb-TX]

The Gas Guzzler Tax is assessed on new cars that do not meet required fuel economy levels. These taxes apply only to passenger cars. Trucks, minivans, and sport utility vehicles (SUV) are not covered because these vehicle types were not widely available in 1978 and were rarely used for non-commercial purposes.

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

from my perspective it doesn't sound like you want to make rather easy concessions to reduce the price. do you really need a sunroof in order to stand up inside the vehicle and take pics of the outside.

Yes? I’m planning on driving the vehicle around the world, with a heavy first emphasis on my stomping ground that is North America. And one of my hobbies is videography and photography, and a huge part of the joy I get from my trips is experiencing things like Grizzly bears, Elk and Moose in the fall colours, etc. I’ll be travelling with my wife and infant son. Safety is not something I’m willing to compromise on.

Like I said, this is a tool for me for a specific job. Ineos has priced themselves as the most expensive tool for the job on the market. Other tools that do the same job are tens of thousands cheaper. It’s not about getting the cheapest Grenadier in order to own the Grenadier - I don’t care what car I drive. I care that the car meets my needs as I define them. The Ineos does - but for tens of thousands more dollars than other tools that also do that job.

Edit: to be totally fair to you @pioneerofthenile my use case is super niche and I’m one of the few (relatively) who is seriously in this position, and you wouldn’t know that unless you’ve seen me posting around the place — for most folks who just want a Gren because it’s neat and different and a solid 4x4, perhaps the compromises are a lot easier to stomach. The Gren was supposed to be for the folks in the niche though — and while technically it is, practically ($$) they’ve missed it for Canadians.

 

[WyomingRoaming]

While it is higher than I’d hope, it is only off by about 8% base price, and that seems in line with other vehicles (built out Rubicon, previous L200, etc). I’m still in, but won’t be happily checking all boxes

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

A Jeep Gladiator Rubicon - pretty much stock - completed the Canning Stock route in Australia. The driver gave the Gladiator rave reviews. If you need additional payload (practical not legal), you can upgrade springs and shocks - and there are many, many good options to choose from. Solid axles front & rear, fully boxed frame, lockers front and rear, disconnecting front anti-sway bar, 33-inch tires (your choice of either BFG KO2 or some MT options), manual transfer case, manual transmission if you want it, a diesel-option if you want it, lots of good options for a light-weight wedge camper and other after-market stuff. And, Gladiators are selling at discount right now - you can get a new Rubicon for under $60,000 U.S.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UR6agkRbT4

Fully agree. If the Gren was within $10-$15k of the Gladiator here in Canada, the Gren would still edge out for me. But I can do a lot with the Gladiator to address the stuff I don’t love about it.

I’m a few years our regardless so the gren isn’t off my list — but a new one likely is. I’ll have to see what the used market looks like. It’s also possible that the price of the Gren will inflate the rest of the market making the choice a lot more competitive in a few years when I’m ready to buy - stranger things have happened!

 

[pioneerofthenile]

Yes? I’m planning on driving the vehicle around the world, with a heavy first emphasis on my stomping ground that is North America. And one of my hobbies is videography and photography, and a huge part of the joy I get from my trips is experiencing things like Grizzly bears, Elk and Moose in the fall colours, etc. I’ll be travelling with my wife and infant son. Safety is not something I’m willing to compromise on.

Like I said, this is a tool for me for a specific job. Ineos has priced themselves as the most expensive tool for the job on the market. Other tools that do the same job are tens of thousands cheaper. It’s not about getting the cheapest Grenadier in order to own the Grenadier - I don’t care what car I drive. I care that the car meets my needs as I define them. The Ineos does - but for tens of thousands more dollars than other tools that also do that job.

Edit: to be totally fair to you @pioneerofthenile my use case is super niche and I’m one of the few (relatively) who is seriously in this position, and you wouldn’t know that unless you’ve seen me posting around the place — for most folks who just want a Gren because it’s neat and different and a solid 4x4, perhaps the compromises are a lot easier to stomach. The Gren was supposed to be for the folks in the niche though — and while technically it is, practically ($$) they’ve missed it for Canadians.

I won't let you leave the showroom until I put you behind the wheel and watch you drive away.

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

I won't let you leave the showroom until I put you behind the wheel and watch you drive away.

You’ve lost me mate - what do you mean?