Now _that_'s what I call humour ;-)..... haha to them for buying 1st generation junk in the first place.
Now _that_'s what I call humour ;-)..... haha to them for buying 1st generation junk in the first place.
Don't forget, there is a hard cap for us UK people. 6,000 units per year unless a low emission vehicle can be added to the range.I suspect the reason is that the Grenadier and QM are not selling anywhere near the volumes forecast and, therefore, the financial picture is a long way from where they had hoped.
If the first models are not meeting forecast then it would be hard to sanction further models.
While I do love mine, my advice would be to resolve the issues with the initial model. Quality (no issues with mine). Design (RHD driver footrest, low quality spec of things like wipers and internal plastics) and expand options (I would suggest an independent front suspension/ rack and pinion steering option like LC100, as well as a BMW V8 option/hybrid on existing engine). Ie launch an up market G wagon rival at the same time as resolving some basic issues. Most of the basic engineering is sunk cost and these modifications shouldn't require material further cost v a new model.
It is a great vehicle and these investments would increase the addressable market and increase average selling prices.
They need to get the brand building model right before launching others. Echoing what many others have said here.
I suspect the reason is that the Grenadier and QM are not selling anywhere near the volumes forecast and, therefore, the financial picture is a long way from where they had hoped.
If the first models are not meeting forecast then it would be hard to sanction further models.
While I do love mine, my advice would be to resolve the issues with the initial model. Quality (no issues with mine). Design (RHD driver footrest, low quality spec of things like wipers and internal plastics) and expand options (I would suggest an independent front suspension/ rack and pinion steering option like LC100, as well as a BMW V8 option/hybrid on existing engine). Ie launch an up market G wagon rival at the same time as resolving some basic issues. Most of the basic engineering is sunk cost and these modifications shouldn't require material further cost v a new model.
It is a great vehicle and these investments would increase the addressable market and increase average selling prices.
They need to get the brand building model right before launching others. Echoing what many others have said here.sales goal.
That’s great info. Is there a time limit given? How many years is a manufacturer allowed to gear up?Don't forget, there is a hard cap for us UK people. 6,000 units per year unless a low emission vehicle can be added to the range.
I haven’t seen sales stats - have you? Is there info you can share? I think it’s always supposed to be modest volume - Ineos said something like 30k units, globally. I don’t think they need to do anything crazy to hit those numbers, and doubt they would abandon the core tenets of the projects just to grab share. That’s not their goal.I suspect the reason is that the Grenadier and QM are not selling anywhere near the volumes forecast and, therefore, the financial picture is a long way from where they had hoped.
If the first models are not meeting forecast then it would be hard to sanction further models.
While I do love mine, my advice would be to resolve the issues with the initial model. Quality (no issues with mine). Design (RHD driver footrest, low quality spec of things like wipers and internal plastics) and expand options (I would suggest an independent front suspension/ rack and pinion steering option like LC100, as well as a BMW V8 option/hybrid on existing engine). Ie launch an up market G wagon rival at the same time as resolving some basic issues. Most of the basic engineering is sunk cost and these modifications shouldn't require material further cost v a new model.
It is a great vehicle and these investments would increase the addressable market and increase average selling prices.
They need to get the brand building model right before launching others. Echoing what many others have said here.
In my honest opinion...It is sometimes hard not to believe everything you think...but practice makes perfectI suspect the reason is that the Grenadier and QM are not selling anywhere near the volumes forecast and, therefore, the financial picture is a long way from where they had hoped.
If the first models are not meeting forecast then it would be hard to sanction further models.
While I do love mine, my advice would be to resolve the issues with the initial model. Quality (no issues with mine). Design (RHD driver footrest, low quality spec of things like wipers and internal plastics) and expand options (I would suggest an independent front suspension/ rack and pinion steering option like LC100, as well as a BMW V8 option/hybrid on existing engine). Ie launch an up market G wagon rival at the same time as resolving some basic issues. Most of the basic engineering is sunk cost and these modifications shouldn't require material further cost v a new model.
It is a great vehicle and these investments would increase the addressable market and increase average selling prices.
They need to get the brand building model right before launching others. Echoing what many others have said here.
They are not manufacturing in the UK so the restriction is based on imports.That’s great info. Is there a time limit given? How many years is a manufacturer allowed to gear up?
Lyn Calder is talking about 4 product lines, there is only one line in the existing factory.I haven’t seen sales stats - have you? Is there info you can share? I think it’s always supposed to be modest volume - Ineos said something like 30k units, globally. I don’t think they need to do anything crazy to hit those numbers, and doubt they would abandon the core tenets of the projects just to grab share. That’s not their goal.
I was under the impression that the only thing Ineos manufactures is the vehicle itself, or more correctly assembles it.I think a few people have lost perspective or, perhaps, are just completely unaware of the relatively small scale that Ineos Automotive currently operates.
Ineos bought a Smart car factory to build the Grenadier. As a reminder, Smart Car is the tiny, two seat, gas burner that hasn’t sold more than a few thousand units / year in North America in over a decade. Smart sold only 605 units in North America last year. Smart’s best year in the U.S. was just over 20,000 units way back in the early 2000’s. For perspective, that’s how many RAV4’s Toyota currently sells every two weeks in the U.S.
The point is; purchasing a Smart Car factory can hardly be considered diving in to the deep end. Ineos is, in no way, over extended here.
Under terms of the sale, Ineos is under contract to continue to build the Smart Car and some Mercedes components at the Hambach plant. Hambach is not even fully devoted to producing the Grenadier!
Unlike Jeep, Ford, GMC, Chevrolet, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, BMW, Mercedes, etc., Ineos doesn’t manufacture their own engines. Ineos also doesn’t manufacture their own frames. Ineos relies on over 100 vendors - all very highly regarded - to outfit the Grenadier.
For all intent and purposes, Ineos is an automotive design and assembly company - and a very small one at that. The vast majority of manufactured parts in our Grenadiers come from other companies.
And again, for the folks worried about sales volume. Ineos has not run a single ad for the Grenadier in North America. Not one.
Unfortunately, there are a few highly imaginative forum members that insist on posting obvious misinformation hinting at the future of Ineos Automotive. These folks simply lack the sophistication to discuss this issue with any authority. The information they are relaying is not credible.
I thought it was based on emissions.They are not manufacturing in the UK so the restriction is based on imports.
There is only one, but the Smart will be discontinued at the Hambach factory, and then they can start a second production line in Hambach.Lyn Calder is talking about 4 product lines, there is only one line in the existing factory.