General Diesel or Petrol

[emax]

German: Liter. Plural like singular.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Diesel for me here in UK however I haven’t had the opportunity of trying out the petrol version and therefore my choice was based on past experiences, running costs and the fact diesel likely to be around longer than petrol. That said I do expect petrol sales to outlast me.

 

[Jean Mercier]

Concerning the engine, some thoughts, published some hours ago:
https://www.topspeed.com/could-ineos-have-offered-a-better-set-of-engines-on-the-grenadier-4x4-suv/

 

[beanohallett]

diesel all the way

 

[Jean Mercier]

Well, although my last 3 cars were all diesel, I choose a petrol, because in the next years some cities will ban diesel. I did not buy the Grenadier to drive in cities, but ... like everybody, I will have to drive in cities sometimes. One of my sons lives in Brussels.

 

[emax]

Concerning the engine, some thoughts, published some hours ago:
https://www.topspeed.com/could-ineos-have-offered-a-better-set-of-engines-on-the-grenadier-4x4-suv/

I haven't read the entire article, but it seems based on that statement:

The Problems With These Engines​

Both B58 and B57 engines were designed and developed to be used in passenger cars and crossovers that would never need to drive through the harsh environments faced when off-roading

This is nonsense imho.

The development of engines is no longer what it was decades ago. Today, such expensive developments are always carried out as a framework for a whole family of engines. No company can afford to develop "the engine" for a specific purpose. The whole characteristic is based on software, mappings implemented in the form of multidimensional data tables, and additional parts such as turbochargers, exhaust systems (they are no longer just "pipes") and the like. Even the wiring, tubing etc. doesn't say anything about the motor itself.

So I think that the entire arguing starts with a blatantly wrong point.

The headline "The Problems With These Engines" is very close to clickbait in my opinion. Even if they concluded (I didn't read to the end after that) that there was no problem, that doesn't make the article much more serious.

So no reason to worry.

 

[Jean Mercier]

I didn't worry, I posted the link for your information

 

[Krabby]

Some good points were raised in the piece, but I am not worried either. I can appreciate the suggestion that BMW parts will not be as ubiquitous as Toyota stuff in the Outback and other remote places, and that plastic bits might not hold up as well as metal parts in the years to come, but again-I'm not worried whatsoever.

 

[Logsplitter]

Some good points were raised in the piece, but I am not worried either. I can appreciate the suggestion that BMW parts will not be as ubiquitous as Toyota stuff in the Outback and other remote places, and that plastic bits might not hold up as well as metal parts in the years to come, but again-I'm not worried whatsoever.

I suppose it all depends on the type of plastic being used. Metals can be as prone to cracking and fatigue as certain plastics.

 

[Arkaig]

Concerning the engine, some thoughts, published some hours ago:
https://www.topspeed.com/could-ineos-have-offered-a-better-set-of-engines-on-the-grenadier-4x4-suv/

Just clickbait.

 

[Jean Mercier]

Just clickbait.

OK OK, you are the second one, I apologize having posted the link

 

[Arkaig]

OK OK, you are the second one, I apologize having posted the link

No, no - absolutely no need for apologies, I was interested enough to read the article through to the end, but couldn't reconcile their conclusions with the title.

 

[Tazzieman]

I suppose it all depends on the type of plastic being used. Metals can be as prone to cracking and fatigue as certain plastics.

I've cut and pasted this from a B58 familiar mechanic
"Plastic intake manifolds are the standard this century, for almost all car brands. Cast alu manifolds started dying out in the late 90s-early 00s. Production costs of course, and plastics improved a lot, a whole lot. Same for valve covers etc. The aluminium versions crack before the plastic ones do. And plastic saves weight over alu. Thinking of all plastics being a pour material is thinking of the past."

 

[AZGrenadier]

In Tucson Arizona right now has us $2.89 and Diesel is $4.79. So 65% increase in cost plus DEF. Even if I had the choice I would probably go gas.

 

[bigleonski]

I have traveled twice from Spain to Senegal with my old landcruiser kzj95 and I never had any problem with the diesel. It was an indirect injection diesel engine of this more than 20 years ago. But I am sure that the injectors of the modern diesel include us the Ineos will not support this diesel.
If you want to tour the third world, I advise you to use gasoline, even in the most remote places in the world I have seen gasoline cyclone and it is always available.

In Tucson Arizona right now has us $2.89 and Diesel is $4.79. So 65% increase in cost plus DEF. Even if I had the choice I would probably go gas.

That’s per gallon though yes? Not per Litre.

 

[Rooballer]

I haven't read the entire article, but it seems based on that statement:

The headline "The Problems With These Engines" is very close to clickbait in my opinion. Even if they concluded (I didn't read to the end after that) that there was no problem, that doesn't make the article much more serious.

So no reason to worry.

I read to the end - the final paragraph starts with:

"So, have Ineos engineers made the best possible engine choice here? Well, probably yes."

 

[AZGrenadier]

That’s per gallon though yes? Not per Litre.

Yes, per American gallon

 

[bigleonski]

Yes, per American gallon

So $1.27US a litre for diesel and half that for petrol - Americans have nothing to complain about.

 

[emax]

I didn't worry, I posted the link for your information

Yes, thank you. That's allright.

 

[Krabby]

So $1.27US a litre for diesel and half that for petrol - Americans have nothing to complain about.

True. But 60-65% more for diesel seems to be significantly higher than elsewhere.