Alternator & Aux Battery

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Interesting comparison between AGM and EFB batteries

EFB vs. AGM: What Will Power our Cars in the Future?

While AGM batteries have handled the demands of modern automobiles, EFB technology surpasses AGM in critical areas such as battery life and heat tolerance.

www.stryten.com

 

[AnD3rew]

Interesting comparison between AGM and EFB batteries

EFB vs. AGM: What Will Power our Cars in the Future?

While AGM batteries have handled the demands of modern automobiles, EFB technology surpasses AGM in critical areas such as battery life and heat tolerance.

www.stryten.com

Very interesting. Thanks for that. Wonder if INEOS is doing anything to maintain the batteries of vehicles that are sitting waiting for quality tests and then spending 2-3 months on a boat to Australia. I have uad a couple of new cars have batteries fail fairly soon after delivery and the time sitting pre delivery has been blamed for this by some.

 

[bigleonski]

Interesting comparison between AGM and EFB batteries

EFB vs. AGM: What Will Power our Cars in the Future?

While AGM batteries have handled the demands of modern automobiles, EFB technology surpasses AGM in critical areas such as battery life and heat tolerance.

www.stryten.com

Good read. Compared well to AGM. For me it will be about how the aux battery is isolated so the starter isn’t compromised by a fridge or use of an inverter. If the system can manage that then all good, and I’ll either put another lithium in the system somewhere or wait till the EFB dies and replace it with a bigger lithium in due course. A 105a is big enough on a long trip as it gets charged during the daily drive, it’s just the 4-5 days in one spot where you need more oomph. A solar blanket is a reasonable fix but not as good as having another 105 in case the weather turns shit.
But starter isolation is the big thing for me.


To be honest I wish the set up was well communicated by Ineos up front so an informed decision on purchase could be made or alternative solutions arranged before purchase.

 

[globalgregors]

Good read. Compared well to AGM. For me it will be about how the aux battery is isolated so the starter isn’t compromised by a fridge or use of an inverter. If the system can manage that then all good, and I’ll either put another lithium in the system somewhere or wait till the EFB dies and replace it with a bigger lithium in due course. A 105a is big enough on a long trip as it gets charged during the daily drive, it’s just the 4-5 days in one spot where you need more oomph. A solar blanket is a reasonable fix but not as good as having another 105 in case the weather turns shit.
But starter isolation is the big thing for me.

 

[DenisM]

Good read. Compared well to AGM. For me it will be about how the aux battery is isolated so the starter isn’t compromised by a fridge or use of an inverter. If the system can manage that then all good, and I’ll either put another lithium in the system somewhere or wait till the EFB dies and replace it with a bigger lithium in due course. A 105a is big enough on a long trip as it gets charged during the daily drive, it’s just the 4-5 days in one spot where you need more oomph. A solar blanket is a reasonable fix but not as good as having another 105 in case the weather turns shit.
But starter isolation is the big thing for me.


To be honest I wish the set up was well communicated by Ineos up front so an informed decision on purchase could be made or alternative solutions arranged before purchase.

The aux. battery as supplied also provides redundancy to the starter battery in the event of a fail of the main battery. A LiFePO4 won't necessarily provide that redundancy because they're not designed as a starter battery... unless there's some compromise using the Lithium to partly charge the starter battery e.g. jumper leads and let them sit for and hour or so in the hope that enough juice will flow to the EFB. In the illustrated "Smartpass" setup Globalgregors has provided, one could connect the fridge to the aux. direct so that there was no dual current draw from both batteries. In fact, I'll be bypassing the second battery altogether and powering the fridge from a portable Li setup...

 

[Znarfgh]

If you have a dead ranking battery you can use a LiFePO4 battery to get the engine started. They are designed as a deep cycle battery but can be used in an emergency to start the vehicle. You can buy cranking/deep cycle LiFePO4 batteries these days that can also go under bonnet.

 

[OGrid]

The free space next to the auxiliary battery has about these dimensions (16 cm being the free height). It is approximative because of the irregular shape and protrusions.

I don't think the battery compartment is watertight, but the sensible parts are sufficiently above wading height.

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I’ve been concerned about possible water ingress into the battery bays since I saw the PTO2. I.e Child drops large coke onto seat and the liquid entered from above.

I was told the area would be sealed in prod vehicles. From the pic the battery area does not appear to be sealed from ‘above’.

Yes there is a seat, but the seat pivots forward making a great avenue for liquid to enter from the back of the seat.

 

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It'd be nice to have a dual alternator option. It's kept me from getting stranded in my Duramax before. Ideal if you find yourself in the middle of nowhere a lot or need your vehicle daily.

 

[Steve.B]

So why did you choose them?
It is easy to start with the Station Wagon and spec it up to what you want

Dave,
In my case my wife had already picked out the Trialmaster jacket she wanted, so I had no choice but I am not complaining.

 

[DaveB]

I’ve been concerned about possible water ingress into the battery bays since I saw the PTO2. I.e Child drops large coke onto seat and the liquid entered from above.

I was told the area would be sealed in prod vehicles. From the pic the battery area does not appear to be sealed from ‘above’.

Yes there is a seat, but the seat pivots forward making a great avenue for liquid to enter from the back of the seat.

I'm pretty sure every person here that has had children or grandchildren knows what you mean.
Ok not a coke but certainly a bottle of water.

 

[Jean Mercier]

From the pic the battery area does not appear to be sealed from ‘above’.

It isn't, but on the other hand, the seat (if used) will absorb easily quite some liquid if a child spills a bottle of water.
And if you fold the seats and have to transport stuff like liquids, yes than I would try to protect the batteries and electrical components from liquid spill!

 

[Logsplitter]

User manual for Ctek smartpass 120 and Ctek D250SE dc to dc battery charger.

https://cdn.tayna.com/datasheets/D250SE-SMARTPASS120S.pdf

 

[DCPU]

Interesting comparison between AGM and EFB batteries

EFB vs. AGM: What Will Power our Cars in the Future?

While AGM batteries have handled the demands of modern automobiles, EFB technology surpasses AGM in critical areas such as battery life and heat tolerance.

www.stryten.com

Nice article, thanks for posting.

"While AGM is still the battery of choice for powering deep cycle needs, which is a niche use of automotive batteries" ~ seems to be exactly where the Grenadier auxiliary battery lands?

Also, Moll seem to have moved on from EFB to AFB:

Where exactly does EFBplus fit into this; or is some of it just marketing at it's best?

 

[Logsplitter]

Nice article, thanks for posting.

"While AGM is still the battery of choice for powering deep cycle needs, which is a niche use of automotive batteries" ~ seems to be exactly where the Grenadier auxiliary battery lands?

Also, Moll seem to have moved on from EFB to AFB:
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Where exactly does EFBplus fit into this; or is some of it just marketing at it's best?

Good question. I don’t know as I can’t find any info on EFB Plus. Are they made solely for Ineos ? Would like to find out more myself

 

[Logsplitter]

The terms AFB and EFB are synonymous as far as I can tell. Different manufacturers seem to use the terms interchangeably

 

[CountyV8]

Pricing must be very different now.
I configured to the same spec from Wagon, Trial & Field and the difference was $400

Dont forget the 5 year guarantee with the factory set up

 

[Kruegerruda]

Where is the power outlet from the second battery? Switched from the roof panel?

 

[DaveB]

Dont forget the 5 year guarantee with the factory set up

The warranty is the same across the board for all configurations

 

[Krabby]

The warranty is the same across the board for all configurations

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Except in the US where there’s a mileage cap of 5 year/60,000 miles. That sort of setup is pretty standard here though.

 

[ECrider]

Also recall Oz had a longer warranty than Europe one's. Forget whether it was the paint. Out and about at the mo so will look up later.