Alternator & Aux Battery

[USandPR]

And a note on why Lead Acid or Gel vs Lithium, I was just researching Lithium current outputs for a bow thruster and/or starting battery. It seems the Lithium is good for continuous duty and deep discharge but high output current like a winch is not its strong point. Going with Gel Group 29s in the boat.

 

[Deepblue]

That does not look like a maintenance free sealed battery. Looks like an 8D, at first I thought it was two group 24s before I expanded the picture.

If that is an 8D that is well over 150lbs and can expect gassing on charge. You can see the screw tops. We use these in big boats (or RVs), always maintaining them. Often we switched to sealed Group 31s or LiFePo, easier to move around and no service needed.

I'd rather have two parallel Group 24s gel sealed in that space. Might fit. 8D around 20"x10" and G24 around 11"x 6" Even if I had to give up some power would not want an unsealed battery in passenger compartment.

I hope I am seeing things...

"Two Reservations, one for US one for PR."

Hi @USandPR you mention 150lbs - is this the estimate for a single battery or for a two-battery setup?

 

[USandPR]

An 8D size battery weighs over 150lbs. Just one battery and I am referring to what appears to be under the back seat. I do not know where the engine battery is.

From the first picture, I can only see qty 6 - two volt cells = 12 volts. The dimensions appear to be in the 20"x10" range and has all the indications of a 8D battery.

HOWEVER, on this thread https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/auxiliary-battery-type.12361444/ I found more pictures and someone says this is a MOLL 81105 battery which according to the MOLL site is 400mm or around 16inches. It looks about the same width as the flip up seat and I would guess that over 20"

Bottomline, that thing is heavy.

 

[DCPU]

HOWEVER, on this thread https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/auxiliary-battery-type.12361444/ I found more pictures and someone says this is a MOLL 81105 battery which according to the MOLL site is 400mm or around 16inches. It looks about the same width as the flip up seat and I would guess that over 20"

There's a photo from Greasemonkey in this thread above ~ it's not a Moll 81105 as that's an AGM type.

 

[USandPR]

There's a photo from Greasemonkey in this thread above ~ it's not a Moll 81105 as that's an AGM type.

"I got information directly from INEOS that the aux battery will be a Moll AGM 12V, 105Ah." quote from some guy in the other thread linked above.

I do not know what it will be, I just want it sealed whatever it is. Between cars, trucks, RVs, golf carts, boats, and yachts I am over unsealed batteries. My opinion sealed last longer, I dont have to worry about something getting cooked by an over enthusiastic charger, alternator or regulator and while I have not had a vehicle that will experience the bumps, holes, jiggles and joggles like this one, I would guess that something to keep the liquid from sploshing around like Absorbent Glass Mat or Gel would be a benefit.

 

[DenisM]

No point getting concerned about pre-production photos. It's difficult to decipher what Ineos will eventually supply. Need to keep in mind that ALL the photos have been of engineering prototypes where they had to power a stack of measuring equipment gathering all sorts of data under arduous conditions. The engineers may well have installed an "8D" to accommodate their requirements. However, given that the IG was known to have a "weight" issue and they were looking for weight savings... hence aluminium panels (for example), it's reasonable to expect that the second battery will be around approx 25kg (55lb) and may well be sealed... I've always regarded the photos as illustrating "how and where" the electrics are accommodated... not an example of the finished product.
Just a thought!

 

[Tazzieman]

As long as the battery is vented. Chargers and spark sources in enclosed spaces are not welcome!

 

[DCPU]

"I got information directly from INEOS that the aux battery will be a Moll AGM 12V, 105Ah." quote from some guy in the other thread linked above.

That’s correct, and someone else was told EFB.

Ineos Customer Services all seem to be working off different scripts.

Nevertheless, a photo of a Moll EFB does confirm they are using EFB tech, at least in one vehicle!

 

[DCPU]

As long as the battery is vented. Chargers and spark sources in enclosed spaces are not welcome!

I think I see a vent tube in the photo above.

 

[DCPU]

Need to keep in mind that ALL the photos have been of engineering prototypes where they had to power a stack of measuring equipment gathering all sorts of data under arduous conditions.

No, not all photos are of engineering prototypes.

I believe the photo above is a PTO series ~ so essentially production spec used to finesse the production line.

 

[Greasemonkey]

All the pictures where taken yesterday from a blue Ineos Grenadier, which was according to the guys from the dealer, to 99 % production specification .

 

[DCPU]

And a note on why Lead Acid or Gel vs Lithium, I was just researching Lithium current outputs for a bow thruster and/or starting battery. It seems the Lithium is good for continuous duty and deep discharge but high output current like a winch is not its strong point. Going with Gel Group 29s in the boat.

Is that the same across all of the various lithium chemistry types or are some more suited to dealing with high output currents?

 

[DCPU]

All the pictures where taken yesterday from a blue Ineos Grenadier, which was according to the guys from the dealer, to 99 % production specification .

And you seem to have solved the puzzle as to whether non-Belstaff editions will get a front bulkhead badge, and if so what it will say.

 

[ECrider]

I quite like that badge

 

[Greasemonkey]

There was also another badge on Dirk Heilmann's own car

 

[Tazzieman]

There was also another badge on Dirk Heilmann's own car

Special high payload edition!

 

[emax]

 

[bemax]

Special high payload edition!

Or it is a special edition without any extra, weighting less than 2.5 tons

 

[USandPR]

Is that the same across all of the various lithium chemistry types or are some more suited to dealing with high output currents?

My research was against marine based lithium batteries though I expect the carries across most of them. I mean for the most part a "marine" version just means different packaging and higher dollar.

 

[Mr. Largo WINCH]

Bonjour
Il existe un système CTEK D250 SE qui permet la séparation et la recharge de la batterie auxiliaire (pour des alternateurs jusqu'à 120 Ampères).