What did you do with your Grenadier today?

Used the lunch break to install the rear seat cover and dashboard cover from Tougher. The fronts were done a few months and many thousands of miles ago.

It's been a bit of a snow day in my part of the UK, so getting to work involved avoiding lots of motorists in lesser vehicles as they drove badly all over the place. A Gren on KO2s does well on wet snow.

Jeremy996 said:

View attachment 7878144View attachment 7878145
It's been a bit of a snow day in my part of the UK, so getting to work involved avoiding lots of motorists in lesser vehicles as they drove badly all over the place. A Gren on KO2s does well on wet snow.

Click to expand...

It is hard for me to grasp the drive you have just undertaken as I have not driven in snow of that depth. I have experienced ice which is not for the faint hearted...I drove on a wet dirt road yesterday between Woodford and Glasshouse Mountains with the centre diff locked, corrogations, soft soil and water but the Grenadier soaked it all up in her stride, in the snow are you locking centre diff?... It is amazing how black and white your world looks today, safe travels

I was going to incorporate these lights into my Carbon Fiber Grill and at the last minute I decided against it. At that moment I had the idea of using the lights on the roof. They really came out great. I used very few parts to make it happen. I ordered from Agile Off Road.... the Female 2 Way Plug Deutsch DTP-Series 4 Kit. They are in the USPS mail. My new wide view mirrors also arrived today, both took no more that 8 minutes. The view is so much better, a wide angle.

Max said:

It is hard for me to grasp the drive you have just undertaken as I have not driven in snow of that depth. I have experienced ice which is not for the faint hearted...I drove on a wet dirt road yesterday between Woodford and Glasshouse Mountains with the centre diff locked, corrogations, soft soil and water but the Grenadier soaked it all up in her stride, in the snow are you locking centre diff?... It is amazing how black and white your world looks today, safe travels

Click to expand...

Wet snow is not really challenging provided the vehicle is relatively heavy. The tyres just just force their way through the snow to the road.

you don't want to use diff locks on snow generally. The key skill to have when driving in snow is to avoid varying the speed of the tires relative to the surface you are driving on. You want to be very gentle with acceleration so you don't break traction and even more gentle with braking. A mental image is to imagine that you place an egg between your foot and the brake/gas pedal. don't push so hard or with so much momentum that you break the egg.

I grew up in the snow in northern scandinavia and that is where i learned to drive in snow. we used studded tires in the winter but that is mostly useful for ice. for snow just being a really smooth driver is the trick to being a safe driver. I've never used chains for anything, if i'm super stuck maybe that is useful.

I'm heading into the snow in the sierras this weekend. Should be a bit of snow up on altitude if i'm lucky.

parb said:

you don't want to use diff locks on snow generally.

Click to expand...

There may be an interesting exception for the center diff lock in a vehicle with a considerable difference in weight on the front and rear axle.
A good example of that is Disco 1 and 2 - with CDL open, the front would break traction first.

I was mostly thinking of the front and rear lockers. i don't think center diff matters as much as the lockers per axle where you want to make sure the lockers aren't artificially breaking traction.

Went in for service due to getting the “Brake Wear” indicator. I had 4mm left on my front brakes so was getting the warning. The odd thing was that my gas mileage dropped significantly. When the indicator popped up. I filled up with about 21 gallons and had roughly 275 ish miles on the tank…ON my way to the dealership Ihad roughly 90 miles on the tank and was just above 1/2 a tank on the gauge. Reached the dealership with around 120+ miles and was a tad below 1/2 a tank.

Now I have new pads and rotors on the front, a software update that apparently helps with the fuel level sensor issue, and another wash…Had a bit over 34k miles. Will be having my 3rd service most likely before the end of the year.

AngusMacG said:

Went in for service due to getting the “Brake Wear” indicator. I had 4mm left on my front brakes so was getting the warning. The odd thing was that my gas mileage dropped significantly. When the indicator popped up. I filled up with about 21 gallons and had roughly 275 ish miles on the tank…ON my way to the dealership Ihad roughly 90 miles on the tank and was just above 1/2 a tank on the gauge. Reached the dealership with around 120+ miles and was a tad below 1/2 a tank.

Now I have new pads and rotors on the front, a software update that apparently helps with the fuel level sensor issue, and another wash…Had a bit over 34k miles. Will be having my 3rd service most likely before the end of the year.

Click to expand...

New rotors in addition to pads seems early to me unless you’ve covered significant distance in your truck.
I certainly don’t want to be doing that in the near future!
Any reason for this level of what I would call early maintenance?

First let me start off by saying to make this post thread friendly , me and my Grenny’s had a small cry together. They never want to let me down and I don’t want them to feel that they have. Yes, we have that type of relationship. Unfortunately they can’t turn off certain features and learning of one of them not being considered on the next software update has us shedding a hand full of tears together. If you have to ask how the Grenny’s do that then you will never get it.

The attached emails below are from a couple days ago, but I didn’t just want to rush and post it once received. I wanted to reach out to some other people I know in the Grenadier world (made some friends with vendors via multiple purchases and just just starting talking, emailing, or texting with them) and see if they heard of this as well. Two of them are well connected and I won’t say their info or answer for them. They can post on here if they choose to do so, but seems like they won’t as they don’t want to have customers upset at them for giving this type of bad news. Well I’m retired and my previous employment was nothing in the auto/4x4 world, so I’m good. The people I reached out to had one telling me he basically heard the same thing from his contact and another one said he didn’t want to get involved (but reading between the lines via our emails, to me it seemed he didn’t disagree with this info), and one other person hasn’t responded yet. I won’t post those emails/texts as they are more personal in nature as we discuss other stuff as well. I also talked to a close family friend who is an attorney with a very large firm and he says (this is for the USA only as this country has become sue happy), that if a car manufacturer had a speed safety warning feature like this one does and they later put out an update that permanently turned it off and someone got into a bad accident and speeding was involved, the dealer/manufacturer could be sued. They will most likely win, but the time and money it takes to defend yourself in that type of suit it not cheap and imagine it happening multiple times. He thinks they may have done the safety warning to help defend them in any future suits as all manufacturers end up getting sued in the USA. Fault or not on the driver as well as family members of deceased or severely injured drivers will sue everyone one involved in a loss including the car dealerships & manufacturers, etc etc, he knows this being a defense attorney for a large insurance company and defending these types of suits is his livelihood. Right now it’s up to the owner to turn off each time and if it had to go to court then it’s that driver/owner who turned off the warning not the manufacturer. I think this is a huge thing for the USA market for sure. People in the U.S. sue if you look at them wrong nowadays. CRAZY!! Plus I am not trying to upset anyone, heck I didn’t want this to be true! Anyone on here can call or email Ineos themselves and ask the same question. I can’t believe I was the first or only person to do so as this is such a big issue for most owners. If one of you did already, please post me a link to that thread/post as I did search for it. If anyone has any info to the contrary of this post, then PLEASE post it. However, Don’t just post something arguing with me or not believing it, post some evidence or facts not just “I work in customer service and we….” or “I know someone in the tech dept…”, I would like evidence like I am posting (email or letter).

Sorry for the long post, but felt I had to put the info out to the owners, as the speed limit warning chirps/clunks (whatever noise you want to call it) is at the top of most owners aggravation lists. In all honesty, it does bother me as well, but I have a normal start up routine that includes turning off the auto/on feature, pushing the recirculating A/C button & lastly hitting the favorite to turn off the speed limit warning. It literally takes 10-12 seconds each start up and it’s not a deal breaker or such an issue that it prevents me from still having these Grenadiers be my favorite vehicles of all time for me.

I posted a few pages back about a phone call I had with this Ineos “customer service rep” and was bombarded with well “she wasn’t in tech” so basically she didn’t know what’s going on with any software update or she’s reading a script, which didn’t make sense if the script is giving to her by Ineos and they are paying her to read it wouldn’t they want the right info put out? Thus, I followed up with an email asking her to get with someone in the actual tech dept to confirm this info and you can read the emailed response below. Again, I’m not happy with this and don’t be angry at the messenger. I’m just passing this info along. For those that will say she still doesn’t know what the tech dept is doing, you are just being argumentative & not wanting to accept this news. Why would a company hire/pay someone to represent them (even if giving a script to read from) and say this to someone and it not be true? Ineos is aware this is an issue for owners and again I would say if they were actually working on it the response would be more of a “we are aware of the issue and are looking into it”, basically not committing to any real answer. This email is plain and clear that they aren’t working on a permanent turn off due to safety issues. She also put it in writing that this answer was directly from the tech dept. Trust me I know how the world is and the different people that live in it. So the ones reading this and taking it in as the sad news it is, sorry to the the bearer of this news. The ones not believing it or thinks the tech team is working on it behind the scenes, let’s touch base in another year or two and see where the permanent turn off is at. It’s already been almost 2 years now since the first ones were sold and right off the bat Ineos got complaints about the speed warning sounds, yet here we are two years later with no change. To me that speaks volumes.

Yes it sucks, but my hopes is someone like “Carista” who makes OBD II code cheaters like I have for my 2022 Tundra that will turn off seat belt warning sounds and windows down/up etc etc, will come along and make one for the Grenadier so we can turn off features like the speed limit warning permanently. Time will tell, but now I’m worried about the legality of a vehicle having that feature and someone turns it off and like I said a bad loss occurs and that entity could open itself up for liability due to the sue crazy people we have in the USA.

Even though I am upset at this, it still is not a big enough deterrent to stop me from purchasing a 3rd Ineos vehicle (the Quartermaster when it hits the USA). Hope this news doesn’t affect new possible owners on the fence, but if this does then in all honesty this probably wasn’t the right vehicle for you anyway. It’s a simple fix, yes each time, but still a simple fast fix.

This will be my last post on this as I have given written evidence on Ineos’ stance on the speed limit warning and anyone who posts something arguing otherwise is just not willing to accept the truth. If in a year or two Ineos changes their mind and does make a software update to permanently turn this off, then I will be the first to post I am happy to hear it!

I am now and will always be a “GRENADIER LIFER”!!!!!!!

Edit: I do have a weird question. Sometime I still get a click/clunk from the speed limit warning even after i disable it. But it’s just a single random click/clunk and no warning lights. Anyone else get that from time to time?

Dual Grenny Guy said:

Edit: I do have a weird question. Sometime I still get a click/clunk from the speed limit warning even after i disable it. But it’s just a single random click/clunk and no warning lights. Anyone else get that from time to time?

Click to expand...

I was getting the random clicks as well even with the speed warning disabled. Turns out the lane keep needs to be turned off too so that is also part of my start up check list. I now have zero clicks or sounds under any circumstance. The sequence is start engine, set HVAC to auto, choose desired temp, turn off auto start/stop, turn off speed warning, turn off lane keep warning. It doesn't take that much time, but I would prefer to not have a pre flight checklist.

TCMColorado said:

I was getting the random clicks as well even with the speed warning disabled. Turns out the lane keep needs to be turned off too so that is also part of my start up check list. I now have zero clicks or sounds under any circumstance. The sequence is start engine, set HVAC to auto, choose desired temp, turn off auto start/stop, turn off speed warning, turn off lane keep warning. It doesn't take that much time, but I would prefer to not have a pre flight checklist.

Click to expand...

Thank you!!! This is the first I hear of this!!! Probably missed it on another thread. Thought I was going “cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs”!!

We all have a dang sequence to our start ups!!!!

It's kind of funny... They won't make the vehicle self center which arguably is a far higher cognitive load than driving 2MPH over the speed limit , and consequently they think that 2mph over warning is more important than making the car self center. Super strange priorities and comes off as a bit strange.

Is that a technical office or just a silly decision? They are going to be sued anyway for something, that's just how it works

Dual Grenny Guy said:

Thank you!!! This is the first I hear of this!!! Probably missed it on another thread. Thought I was going “cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs”!!

We all have a dang sequence to our start ups!!!!

Click to expand...

Luckily we don't have all that stupid crap in our Grenadiers in Australia but I still have to turn off the auto stop start rubbish.
Luckily they put a big switch on the consol for me.

parb said:

“They are going to be sued anyway for something, that's just how it works”

Click to expand...

Because we have become a sue happy nation!!!

parb said:

It's kind of funny... They won't make the vehicle self center which arguably is a far higher cognitive load than drING 2MPH over the speed limit , and consequently they think that 2mph over warning is more important than making the car self center. Super strange priorities and comes off as a bit strange.

Is that a technical office or just a silly decision? They are going to be sued anyway for something, that's just how it works

Click to expand...

I always forget to turn it off until I’m on my way and it starts clicking at me. Then I’m turning it off while driving which is going to cause me to crash. On the whole the over speed warning is far more dangerous than actually going over the speed limit. It is a huge distraction equally as bad a playing on your cell phone while driving. I would love to have a conversation with the idiot who as forced this on us.

That said, I absolutely love every other aspect of this car. It is perfect for my needs. Someone is going to hack into this and give us a way to keep it disabled.

Back on topic...

I fess up. I got annoyed with fumbling for the ignition key hole that I did something about it....
It's my answer to my needs, it's like a little miniature key with a flashlight!

parb said:

you don't want to use diff locks on snow generally. The key skill to have when driving in snow is to avoid varying the speed of the tires relative to the surface you are driving on. You want to be very gentle with acceleration so you don't break traction and even more gentle with braking. A mental image is to imagine that you place an egg between your foot and the brake/gas pedal. don't push so hard or with so much momentum that you break the egg.

I grew up in the snow in northern scandinavia and that is where i learned to drive in snow. we used studded tires in the winter but that is mostly useful for ice. for snow just being a really smooth driver is the trick to being a safe driver. I've never used chains for anything, if i'm super stuck maybe that is useful.

I'm heading into the snow in the sierras this weekend. Should be a bit of snow up on altitude if i'm lucky.

Click to expand...

Nice writing and so true.
When I had my Defender the first year I didn’t know that even the central diff should not be locked on iced ground (as long as there’s enough traction to go on)
I locked it and drove a very narrow trail in the woods winding around a steep hill.
I had the feeling that the car slipped in every corner without having control and without a tyre loosing control.
Only after some months I realised what I did wrong…

DaveB said:

Luckily we don't have all that stupid crap in our Grenadiers in Australia but I still have to turn off the auto stop start rubbish.
Luckily they put a big switch on the consol for me.

Click to expand...

You haven't jammed it off then? Need help?