What happens if Ineos Grenadier shuts down for good

MrRdstr · Monday at 3:41 AM

INEOS Grenadier shuts down the entire project/production for good? 5 year 60K mile warranty gone, adios...CIAO!

I absolutely love my IG (3K miles in) but given the chatter about Recaro & the production halt, one has to wonder.

DaveB · Monday at 3:47 AM

MrRdstr said:
INEOS Grenadier shuts down the entire project/production for good? 5 year 60K mile warranty gone, adios...CIAO!

I absolutely love my IG (3K miles in) but given the chatter about Recaro & the production halt, one has to wonder.

They are only having trouble getting seats so hardly think they would shut down for good.

Here in Australia they legally are required to setup to honour the warranty for all existing vehicles anyway so that isn't a worry.
No idea how US warranty laws operate but seems strange they would not need to honour warranties.

MrRdstr · Monday at 3:54 AM

DaveB said:
They are only having trouble getting seats so hardly think they would shut down for good.

Here in Australia they legally are required to setup to honour the warranty for all existing vehicles anyway so that isn't a worry.
No idea how US warranty laws operate but seems strange they would not need to honour warranties.

Dave, I understand but looking back personally I would have hesitated to buy the IG if i realized production was halted.

Maybe the halt (let's piggy back the story with Recaro so the street does NOT panic) has to do with lackluster global sales?

I wish them the best & looking forward to keeping my IG for many happy years to come!

DaveB · Monday at 4:00 AM

MrRdstr said:
Dave, I understand but looking back personally I would have hesitated to buy the IG if i realized production was halted.

Maybe the halt (let's piggy back the story with Recaro so the street does NOT panic) has to do with lackluster global sales?

I wish them the best & looking forward to keeping my IG for many happy years to come!

Hard to find figures on what their actual global sales have been but I would think they should have been about 40,000 by now.
Their target was 25,000 a year so that would be around 50,000 max.

anand · Monday at 4:15 AM

MrRdstr said:
Maybe the halt (let's piggy back the story with Recaro so the street does NOT panic) has to do with lackluster global sales?

This has been beaten like a dead horse over the past two months... But while global sales are below expectation, US sales (the largest single market for Ineos at this time) are at or above expectation

If the plan was to not resume production in the coming months I doubt very much they'd be naming new heads of regions, opening into the largest car market in the world (China), opening into new countries (Mexico), and having a number of new US dealers chomping at the bit to open franchises.

The China angle is quite possibly the most solid statement on the future continuation plans of the brand, as they opened two dealers in China along with their announcement the same week the production pause began

MrRdstr · Monday at 4:33 AM

More importantly what happens in the states with the five year warranty in the worst case scenario?

anand · Monday at 4:37 AM

MrRdstr said:
More importantly what happens in the states with the five year warranty in the worst case scenario?

Worst case meaning that Ineos Automotive goes out of business? Your warranty is useless, but at that point, there would also be no dealers to have warranty service performed at

MrRdstr · Monday at 4:49 AM

anand said:
Worst case meaning that Ineos Automotive goes out of business? Your warranty is useless, but at that point, there would also be no dealers to have warranty service performed at

Doom & gloom! Wonder what happens with prices at that point

ADVAW8S · Monday at 5:36 AM

Here is a rumor, Ineos starts production in little less than 2 months

NQ94 · Monday at 6:09 AM

ADVAW8S said:
Here is a rumor, Ineos starts production in little less than 2 months

With some retooling, process improvements, minor component changes and improvements to the car after two years of first customer testing and market feedback.

Tazzieman · Monday at 7:16 AM

Exclusive club comes to mind.

landmannnn · Monday at 8:02 AM

It's far more likely that Stellantis (Jeep, FIAT, Dodge etc) will shut for good.

Warren481 · Monday at 9:04 AM

I've had my Grenadier on order since August and it's finally in and almost ready to collect. They are just adding a few extras I had requested.

I empathise with the sentiment around future uncertainty. That being said, it's pretty hard to buy a vehicle with a guaranteed future unless I opt for one of the state backed/funded manufacturers and they don't make what I want to buy.

IA recently started running off road test drives in the UK. I did one just over a week ago. This was our third test drive, but the first time we've driven it off road.

WOW! Is the word that best sums up our experience so far. I can't stop smiling when I drive the Grenadier on the road, taking it off road took it to a whole other level. I couldn't believe how robust it is at navigating through difficult terrain. You just point it where you want it to go and the Grenadier ploughs through.

If IA are tight for cash, it's strange that they would be launching this kind of expensive test drive experience.

I'm still going all in with the Grenadier, with a unanimous vote of support from my wife and kids! For me the joy of driving it (and the price) is worth the risk. I've test driven everything else equivalent out there and nothing makes me smile like the Grenadier does.

It's a niche vehicle, but is exceptional at what it does, and at current prices is an absolute steal. The similar spec'd vehicle to what I'm buying as a stock unit was > £20k more for the Defender and a lot more for the Land Cruiser etc.

Just a few weeks to go until I can pick-up my Grenadier. Very exciting!

Warren

bigleonski · Monday at 9:22 AM

Give me strength - this isn’t a Facebook group.

Tazzieman · Monday at 9:44 AM

bigleonski said:
Give me strength - this isn’t a Facebook group.

Agree. It is for bogatyrs.

bikesandguitars · Monday at 2:57 PM

MrRdstr said:
INEOS Grenadier shuts down the entire project/production for good? 5 year 60K mile warranty gone, adios...CIAO!

I absolutely love my IG (3K miles in) but given the chatter about Recaro & the production halt, one has to wonder.

Yeah, one has to wonder how someone could even postulate such a scenario when Ineos just opened four dealerships in China (the world’s largest automobile market), global sales numbers are being met or exceeded, US dealers are investing millions in facility upgrades and the company is privately held / funded by a backer with a net worth estimated between $60 and $80 billion USD.

The Grenadier was built for the adventure set. The worry warts might want to sit this one out.

anand · Monday at 4:08 PM

bigleonski said:
Give me strength - this isn’t a Facebook group.

Oh? Then Aussie groups are just as bad as the US groups

Lars · Monday at 4:32 PM

anand said:
This has been beaten like a dead horse over the past two months... But while global sales are below expectation, US sales (the largest single market for Ineos at this time) are at or above expectation

If the plan was to not resume production in the coming months I doubt very much they'd be naming new heads of regions, opening into the largest car market in the world (China), opening into new countries (Mexico), and having a number of new US dealers chomping at the bit to open franchises.

The China angle is quite possibly the most solid statement on the future continuation plans of the brand, as they opened two dealers in China along with their announcement the same week the production pause began

I don't get the China and Mexico argument. Those decisions were undoubtedly made year(s) ago when Ineos had no where to go but up and they were optimistic. Ford and GM are losing money in China. If you believe half of what the internet says China is headed for an economic crash. Especially if they are hit with massive tariffs. I hope they succeed though.

HereinDaRockies · Monday at 4:43 PM

Why piggyback on the recaro situation? They could shutdown even with production running right now.

Surely you have thought about that potential why purchasing ? So nothing new worthy of triggering this discussion again

LeeroyJ · Monday at 4:54 PM

There are many reasons why car factories stop production for a while, the Recaro situation may have been a convenient excuse to improve the lines, re-work some tooling, etc. Who knows.

As for what happens to your warranty if Ineos Automotive went bankrupt, you only need to look at the Fisker owners for an idea of what that might be like. Although for the Grenadier we would be in a much better position because BMW can work on our engines and other than the software, most of the other components are fairly standard.

Fisker owners say they're hunting for parts and struggling to keep their cars on the road after the company's bankruptcy

After the EV startup collapsed, owners who paid as much as $70,000 now find themselves stuck with vehicles that are slowly falling apart.

www.businessinsider.com

In terms of percentages, my guess would be that there is less than a 1% chance Ineos will go bankrupt in the next 24 months, so I'm not at all worried about it. For a new car company with their first vehicle, they are doing spectacular. Remember Tesla took 17 years to make a profit, their first year not loosing money was only 2020.

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