Nolden Headlights

bemax · Mar 4, 2023

stickshifter said:
The "extra lights" they mention are the two in the front grill, but these are for off-road use only. So if (emphasize "if") the main headlights aren't bright enough for on-road use, then one would need to turn to the aftermarket.

Thanks for the clarification!

DaveB · Mar 4, 2023

stickshifter said:
The "extra lights" they mention are the two in the front grill, but these are for off-road use only. So if (emphasize "if") the main headlights aren't bright enough for on-road use, then one would need to turn to the aftermarket.

The extra lights in the grill are driving lights, long range and switch with high beam.
They are definitely for on road use, at least in Australia
I was told I will be impressed by their light output but at only 1,080 lumen (???) they are a bit of a candle

DCPU · Mar 4, 2023

stickshifter said:
The "extra lights" they mention are the two in the front grill, but these are for off-road use only. So if (emphasize "if") the main headlights aren't bright enough for on-road use, then one would need to turn to the aftermarket.

In the UK brochure they are described as "Auxiliary High Beam Lights", so you'd think that it would be appropriate to use them whenever it was appropriate to use High Beam, i.e., on the highway.

I thought there was some suggestion if this was not legal in your market, then they would only operate additionally via the off road button.

DaveB · Mar 4, 2023

DCPU said:
In the UK brochure they are described as "Auxiliary High Beam Lights", so you'd think that it would be appropriate to use them whenever it was appropriate to use High Beam, i.e., on the highway.

I thought there was some suggestion if this was not legal in your market, then they would only operate additionally via the off road button.

In Australia many years ago you couldn't use high beam if there were street lights
Now it is if there is another vehicle within 200 metres of you

Jean Mercier · Mar 4, 2023

"my headlight", I don't mind too much, but Toby Ecuyer would not be very happy with this I guess, see below ...

DaveB · Mar 4, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
"my headlight", I don't mind too much, but Toby Ecuyer would not be very happy with this I guess, see below ...
View attachment 7805081

Toby designed the steel bumpers supplied in sensible countries for use by manly men.
The apprentice designer did the plastic bumpers

stickshifter · Mar 4, 2023

DaveB said:
The extra lights in the grill are driving lights, long range and switch with high beam.
They are definitely for on road use, at least in Australia
I was told I will be impressed by their light output but at only 1,080 lumen (???) they are a bit of a candle

Yup - looks like you are correct! I saw a walk-around video that said they were for off-road use only. I should know by now that most reviews are containing some errors, and that the only place to get good info is direct from Ineos. My apologies!

DaveB · Mar 4, 2023

stickshifter said:
Yup - looks like you are correct! I saw a walk-around video that said they were for off-road use only. I should know by now that most reviews are containing some errors, and that the only place to get good info is direct from Ineos. My apologies!

I can see why people think that
It is in the Ineos press pack

Tazzieman · Mar 4, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
"my headlight", I don't mind too much, but Toby Ecuyer would not be very happy with this I guess, see below ...
View attachment 7805081

Snow melt gap?

globalgregors · Mar 4, 2023

DaveB said:
The extra lights in the grill are driving lights, long range and switch with high beam.
They are definitely for on road use, at least in Australia
I was told I will be impressed by their light output but at only 1,080 lumen (???)

stickshifter said:
The "extra lights" they mention are the two in the front grill, but these are for off-road use only. So if (emphasize "if") the main headlights aren't bright enough for on-road use, then one would need to turn to the aftermarket.

EDIT: the Grenadier brochure lists these as "Auxiliary High Beam Lights" for "driving off road or in complete darkness" (i.e. in dark on-road environments). My mistake.

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I note the description says “WIDER illumination”… noting the lumen output, are we sure these are not floods rather than spots?

Eric · Mar 4, 2023

DaveB said:
The extra lights in the grill are driving lights, long range and switch with high beam.
They are definitely for on road use, at least in Australia
I was told I will be impressed by their light output but at only 1,080 lumen (???) they are a bit of a candle

Jean Mercier said:

"my headlight", I don't mind too much, but Toby Ecuyer would not be very happy with this I guess, see below ...
View attachment 7805081

Click to expand...

Jean Mercier said:

"my headlight", I don't mind too much, but Toby Ecuyer would not be very happy with this I guess, see below ...
View attachment 7805081

Click to expand...

I wonder if it is a consequence of fitting the winch

DaveB · Mar 4, 2023

globalgregors said:
I note the description says “WIDER illumination”… noting the lumen output, are we sure these are not floods rather than spots?

At 1080 lumens they should fog lights
Justin and Neil both told me they were long range pencil beams and I would be impressed by them
I guess we shall wait and see

globalgregors · Mar 4, 2023

DaveB said:
At 1080 lumens they should fog lights
Justin and Neil both told me they were long range pencil beams and I would be impressed by them
I guess we shall wait and see

I mean, beams obviously make vastly more sense. Could just be careless copy on the glossy.

DaveB · Mar 4, 2023

globalgregors said:
I mean, beams obviously make vastly more sense. Could just be careless copy on the glossy.

I would expect them to be at least 10,000 lumens

stickshifter · Mar 4, 2023

DaveB said:
At 1080 lumens they should fog lights
Justin and Neil both told me they were long range pencil beams and I would be impressed by them
I guess we shall wait and see

Yeah, the relatively low lumens suggest fog lights (although good LED fog lights are 1800-2200 lumens).

But the placement - high and centered, rather than low and wide - suggests driving lights.

Maybe they are using some lens wizadry that focuses a beam tightly for long distance even though the light only has 1080 lumens.

But on a positive note, the position of these auxiliary lights, and the fact that they are street-legal (at only 1080 lumens), means that you can have two headlights fail or break, and still have two left over. Obviously, you are not supposed to drive in traffic with the aux beams on (see brochure), but - in a worst case scenario - you've got redundancy.

AWo · Mar 6, 2023

Maybe a last word on reliability regarding LED headlights, Nolden, etc.

In Germany a public tram must stop, if one main light brakes. Most of the time the drivers try to reach the next station, but then the trainn has to stop until technicians have solved the problem. In a big city that means hiring and bringing busses to move the people and all trains behind the stopped one ar also stopped. That's why the cities of Munich, Cologne and others decided to change all halogen lights of their public trams to LED (in case of Cologne, Munich and I think also Düsseldorf (but nor sure) for Nolden). In case of Munich (where I know the numbers) this invest amortized in less than three years with zero outages.

Cheers
AWo

DCPU · Mar 6, 2023

That's completely irrelevant to a private individual running LED lights.

In fact the argument goes in the opposite direction.

If you loose an LED headlight at night then you have to stop, call a recovery truck and be recovered. If you have a halogen headlight, you carry a spare bulb, swap it out and carry on.

DaveB · Mar 6, 2023

DCPU said:
That's completely irrelevant to a private individual running LED lights.

In fact the argument goes in the opposite direction.

If you loose an LED headlight at night then you have to stop, call a recovery truck and be recovered. If you have a halogen headlight, you carry a spare bulb, swap it out and carry on.

In the last 43 years of driving I have never had to change a headlight bulb on the side of the road.
I have also never to my knowledge carried a spare.
If you find your headlights are failing often enough to require this then I suggest you have a look at the specs of your bulbs and the voltage your vehicle is supplying to them.
Also check the mounting is secure as vibration is a major cause of failure in halogens.
Make sure you never touch a halogen bulb with your bare fingers as that will cause them to burn out very quickly

Tazzieman · Mar 6, 2023

As a point of failure , barring accidents , I would assume the LED option is the right choice.
You can go grey overnight worrying about all the ifs , buts and maybes.
If one bright light goes you still have 3 , unlike most cars.

AWo · Mar 6, 2023

DCPU said:
That's completely irrelevant to a private individual running LED lights.

In fact the argument goes in the opposite direction.

If you loose an LED headlight at night then you have to stop, call a recovery truck and be recovered. If you have a halogen headlight, you carry a spare bulb, swap it out and carry on.

Not for the train driver. They are not allowed to repair and for the service team it doesn't matter, they have just the right spare parts. What I tried to point out is, that with the change to LED, they Munich trams faced not a single outage anymore, whereas with halogen they did and produced significant costs. And, I guess we can agree on this, the light can't distinguish between a commercial train and a private car.

That was the point. No outage against many outages. Of course, the private driver has not the costs a tram company has, but that was not the point.

However....all Grenadier customers will get their own experience with this kind of lights....and that is always the best way to learn things (except some experiences, where that doesn't apply, like hot cooktops. In that case it is enough to believe-...).

Cheers
AWo

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