Grenadier winch bumper uk vs australia

Brookers78 · Dec 14, 2022

CountyV8 said:
CMS??

Front crossmember of the chassis

CountyV8 · Dec 14, 2022

Brookers78 said:
Front crossmember of the chassis

Thanks Neil

CountyV8 · Dec 14, 2022

Brookers78 said:
Doesn't matter if it's a ECE or ROW model, both have the winch mounted behind the CMS with the Fairlead mounted on the

Service will probably be through the INEOS dealer network.

We need to see some drawings .

DaveB · Dec 14, 2022

CountyV8 said:
Picture. 1 what we thought we were getting and picture 2 the plastic we are getting.

picture 1 what Ineos wanted to give you
Picture 2 what your stupid laws forced them to provide.

CountyV8 · Dec 14, 2022

DaveB said:
picture 1 what Ineos wanted to give you
Picture 2 what your stupid laws forced them to provide.

Your getting 1 Dave

DaveB · Dec 14, 2022

CountyV8 said:
Your getting 1 Dave

I am getting this although I doubt the handle will be there but who knows

DaveB · Dec 14, 2022

Brookers78 said:
Front crossmember of the chassis

I am still undecided on if I will order the removable winch and I am finalising my configuration today with the dealer.
I can't find any speccs on it anywhere
It doesn't even have a load rating on it anymore however I assume it will be reduced due to the tow hitch mounting
Can you shed any light on it?

Jean Mercier · Dec 14, 2022

DaveB said:
Picture 2 what your stupid laws forced them to provide.

It is OK for me to have laws to protect other users. My Grenadier will be a toy, to go into the mountains and forests, mainly in Europe, perhaps Iceland or Africa (I hope so). In Belgium I do not need such a car.
I can understand that in some other countries the situation is different, Australia where I have been, Canada (never been), Africa and South-America where I have been living ...
So, ok, plastic bumper in Europe! And I will almost never really need the winch!

DaveB · Dec 14, 2022

Jean Mercier said:
It is OK for me to have laws to protect other users. My Grenadier will be a toy, to go into the mountains and forests, mainly in Europe, perhaps Iceland or Africa (I hope so). In Belgium I do not need such a car.
I can understand that in some other countries the situation is different, Australia where I have been, Canada (never been), Africa and South-America where I have been living ...
So, ok, plastic bumper in Europe! And I will almost never really need the winch!

I have noticed in Europe they tend to park by Braille so a plastic bumper with some give in it comes in handy.
I think if you hit a pedestrian in a 2.7 tonne Grenadier at 60 kmh he will probably not notice the difference between steel and plastic bumpers. Only the funeral home will.

globalgregors · Dec 14, 2022

Brookers78 said:
Great question!
We also believe a rope should have twice the breaking strain of the Winches max pulling capacity.
Integrated winch rope is our 11mm Diameter UHMWPE; rating: 11mm MBS – 11,702kg (25,800Lbs)

Welcome to the forum, it’s great to have your input.

I wonder can you confirm how the rope is finished? Just with a soft spliced loop, or is a hook fitted?

Deepblue · Dec 14, 2022

DaveB said:
I am still undecided on if I will order the removable winch and I am finalising my configuration today with the dealer.
I can't find any speccs on it anywhere
It doesn't even have a load rating on it anymore however I assume it will be reduced due to the tow hitch mounting
Can you shed any light on it?

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@DaveB I had looked at the external winch earlier and Swiss pricelist mentions 3.5 tonnes

„Abnehmbare Winde mit Anhängerkupplungssatz – 3,5 Tonnen“

DaveB · Dec 14, 2022

Deepblue said:
@DaveB I had looked at the external winch earlier and Swiss pricelist mentions 3.5 tonnes

„Abnehmbare Winde mit Anhängerkupplungssatz – 3,5 Tonnen“

Yes, Pretty sure it used to say that here because that is the maximum tow hit load allowed
I tried to match it to a winch from Red Winch website but no luck

Jean Mercier · Dec 14, 2022

DaveB said:
I have noticed in Europe they tend to park by Braille so a plastic bumper with some give in it comes in handy.
I think if you hit a pedestrian in a 2.7 tonne Grenadier at 60 kmh he will probably not notice the difference between steel and plastic bumpers. Only the funeral home will.

I understand your point

But it makes a difference at 30 km/h

That's the speed in most cities here.
Plastic bumpers are slightly more flexible.
But OK, I don't make the laws, and I agree the difference between steel bumpers and plastic bumpers is peanuts: driving skills and respecting speed limits or even (like I do), slowing down in zones where kids could be playing despite the "non-existing" speed limits, or even staying behind cyclists when I don't have a safe distance to take over ... saves more lives than carton bumpers.

CountyV8 · Dec 14, 2022

DaveB said:
I am still undecided on if I will order the removable winch and I am finalising my configuration today with the dealer.
I can't find any speccs on it anywhere
It doesn't even have a load rating on it anymore however I assume it will be reduced due to the tow hitch mounting
Can you shed any light on it?

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Some images of the cradle Dave

bemax · Dec 15, 2022

DaveB said:
I have noticed in Europe they tend to park by Braille so a plastic bumper with some give in it comes in handy.
I think if you hit a pedestrian in a 2.7 tonne Grenadier at 60 kmh he will probably not notice the difference between steel and plastic bumpers. Only the funeral home will.

may I notice that the normal way to park a car differ a lot between the European countries. There are some in which a car is something to use and there is Germany (and maybe more countries) with a splendid insurance universe where every scratch is worth a million!

ECrider · Dec 15, 2022

bemax said:
may I notice that the normal way to park a car differ a lot between the European countries. There are some in which a car is something to use and there is Germany (and maybe more countries) with a splendid insurance universe where every scratch is worth a million!

I was told that in Paris you'd be a fool to leave your handbrake on (flat parking) if parallel parked

Tazzieman · Dec 15, 2022

ECrider said:
I was told that in Paris you'd be a fool to leave your handbrake on (flat parking) if parallel parked

You'd be a fool to drive /park anywhere in Paris. Unless your car was made of rubber.

Brookers78 · Dec 15, 2022

DaveB said:
I am still undecided on if I will order the removable winch and I am finalising my configuration today with the dealer.
I can't find any speccs on it anywhere
It doesn't even have a load rating on it anymore however I assume it will be reduced due to the tow hitch mounting
Can you shed any light on it?

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Portable winch has a pulling capacity of 3.5T

globalgregors · Dec 15, 2022

ECrider said:
I was told that in Paris you'd be a fool to leave your handbrake on (flat parking) if parallel parked

Leaving the park brake off when parallel parked is the done thing in villages all over the place, where bumpers are still bumpers and space is limited.
City version is leaving the handlebar of your Vespa (less so motorbike) unlocked so it can be shuffled around.
Some places it's apparently routine to move bikes to fit in yours, others it's a no no. I've found no discernible pattern...

Brookers78 · Dec 15, 2022

globalgregors said:
Welcome to the forum, it’s great to have your input.

I wonder can you confirm how the rope is finished? Just with a soft spliced loop, or is a hook fitted?

Rope is finished with a soft spliced loop sized to take our S-RING-50 which is included in the recovery kit.
A S-RING must be used to give the correct bend radius to the rope and allows for closed loop winching.

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