Workshop Manuals available?

[Cheshire cat]

At this stage I would even consider some form of paid access or subscription model for when I needed it. Not that I signed up for that.

 

[landmannnn]

Maybe with IA having some time on their hands they can get on with the workshop manual?

 

[mikeonline]

INEOS still tells internally, that the workshop manual is coming out when it is ready. But this information is very vague.
Also we cant rely, that what they say to us, if it is not written.
Manual must be offline and free. Online wont work for an offroader. Also some printouts would be useful and some text and tables about electrical things etc.
I fear we just get a good video. nevertheless its better than nothing.
I think it is time for Sir Jim himself, to stand in front of a camera and tell us what happens, about problems and about promises.
Somekind of a honorable speech, where you can rely on his words. but.. its very quiet currently about INEOS.

 

[NQ94]

INEOS still tells internally, that the workshop manual is coming out when it is ready. But this information is very vague.
Also we cant rely, that what they say to us, if it is not written.
Manual must be offline and free. Online wont work for an offroader. Also some printouts would be useful and some text and tables about electrical things etc.
I fear we just get a good video. nevertheless its better than nothing.
I think it is time for Sir Jim himself, to stand in front of a camera and tell us what happens, about problems and about promises.
Somekind of a honorable speech, where you can rely on his words. but.. its very quiet currently about INEOS.

I would not expect the manuals to be free. The manuals will be like every other manufacturer, pay for access and downloaded and printable as a PDF file. As soon as an owner that is not trade qualified with proof or experience touches the car and does repairs or service and causes a fault there goes the warranty.

 

[MattA]

I would not expect the manuals to be free. The manuals will be like every other manufacturer, pay for access and downloaded and printable as a PDF file. As soon as an owner that is not trade qualified with proof or experience touches the car and does repairs or service and causes a fault there goes the warranty.

Even if they don’t cause a fault any and all car manufacturers would claim no warranty if a un qualified person was found to have done work on a vehicle

 

[DenisM]

Even if they don’t cause a fault any and all car manufacturers would claim no warranty if a un qualified person was found to have done work on a vehicle

You're probably right. The original marketing 'message' from Ineos however was that they would honour warranty on DIY maintenance and repairs so long as the replacement parts were obtained through the Ineos supply chain. That was their big 'point of difference' .
More recently, there has been a subtle but noticeable shift in their language which begins to 'qualify' what their intentions were/are now. Shifting the goal posts comes to mind. We wait in forlorn hope....

 

[Znarfgh]

Last update we had in AUS from the CEO of Ineos Automotive APAC was that the manuals would be available in Q4 of 2024. Reason for the delay was IP issues needed to be resolved before release.

I'd be happy with a pdf file like I have for my Land Rover Discovery 2.

 

[holdmybeer]

In Canada, and I assume the USA, an automaker must honour the vehicle warranty if service and repairs are done per the manufacturer’s spec and schedule and a good paper trail is kept. DIY or 3rd party or dealer. We don’t need a marketing message or brand for this. It’s the law.

This is very easy to do for oil and filter changes. It gets very hard if the maintenance procedures for complex tasks is not published. If this was big Ford or Toyota, one could speculate that they make this information hard to get on purpose, for a recurring revenue stream per customer. For little INEOS, I think they’re just bad at managing deliverables.

 

[rovie]

Yes, you and many others are right. I also read this at the time and asked several times. As I wrote here (https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/workshop-manuals-available.12411552/post-1333263859) at the beginning of the year, there will be no manual in the form originally communicated. It was later discussed whether there would be a manual for carrying out simple work. Whatever that may mean. However, I do not know the current status of this matter. I don't think they realised the extent of the responsibility. The company is still too young and in some cases too inexperienced, even if the will to get something going is certainly there. It is undoubtedly annoying that they are backpedalling in some places, but it doesn't help. I had to reckon with it. I realised that there was a certain risk in signing a contract and transferring money at an early stage when there wasn't even a finished vehicle yet. But I wanted to be part of this adventure right from the start. I realised that I would have problems with one of the first production vehicles delivered. But I'm still amazed at how few problems I have compared to vehicles that were delivered much later. I also forgave my Defender a lot back then. It was just part of it. I feel the same way about the Grenadier.

 

[Dok]

View: https://youtu.be/bOoMi-rpAU0?feature=shared&t=2259


31:50 / Service
33:00 / Servicing the Grenadier
37:40 / 3D Parts Catalogie, 3D Repair Manual, 3D Technical Informations

I can understand why they backtracked on certain points... But we're talking about the grassroots of the grassroots.