Workshop Manuals available?

[MattA]

Very funny that some even consider the workshop manuals will magically appear
It was a marketing lie to suck people in, nothing more nothing less.
They will never be made public unless someone gets them and posts it all over the internet
Come in spinner…

 

[Jean Mercier]

Attached is a conversation I had with Greg Clark VP of the Americas prior to his departure. He did confirm the worksop manuals were coming. See the attached youtube link to see that they do exist.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1c7QlNDylw&t=1s

The workshop manuals exist, I saw it twice while sitting behind a technician at my dealer, but I was reluctant to make pictures, because I felt he made me a "forbidden" favor.
They look amazingly good. Like movies ...

Are they complete and good, I don't know. But they look quite OK.

In the past some people did post some pictures on this forum,

 

[Cheshire cat]

The workshop manuals exist, I saw it twice while sitting behind a technician at my dealer, but I was reluctant to make pictures, because I felt he made me a "forbidden" favor.
They look amazingly good. Like movies ...

Are they complete and good, I don't know. But they look quite OK.

In the past some people did post some pictures on this forum,

I have also seen them at the dealership.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

I have also seen them at the dealership.

Appointed dealers all have access to these and the complete spare parts listings.
Also one or two indy operators have purchased these from INEOS, so far I only know of a confirmed few in the uk. That’s where most of the early ‘leaks’ came from for this stuff which people were posting a while back.
I have no idea about the licensing requirements for this.

 

[grnamin]

I'm curious how much they paid for the manuals and parts list.

 

[Zimm]

I'm curious how much they paid for the manuals and parts list.

I paid 92500.00

 

[holdmybeer]

I have also seen them at the dealership.

You folks who have caught glimpses of workshop manuals ... are they in paper form? Or at least printable in *full*?

IMO, owners need something that works offline, without power, without internet, without log-ins, without subscriptions, and long after Sir Jim's passion project has been shuttered and online workshop manual "services" with logins and subscriptions stop working. This is the nature of rugged, remote, and built on purpose.

 

[anand]

You folks who have caught glimpses of workshop manuals ... are they in paper form? Or at least printable in *full*?

The official workshop manual, that dealers use, is not paper (no current brand gives dealers paper manuals as there is far too much information).

The dealer workshop manual is an absolute piece of art and beauty in its functionality and illustrations, but I can't fathom an easy way to replicate it as-is into a paper format

 

[TCMColorado]

The goal should be to have a stand alone digital copy that is fully functional without an internet connection that can be downloaded in its entirety to your tablet style device, laptop or PC. Actual paper would provide no additional benefit if these conditions are met.

 

[anand]

The goal should be to have a stand alone digital copy that is fully functional without an internet connection that can be downloaded in its entirety to your tablet style device, laptop or PC. Actual paper would provide no additional benefit if these conditions are met.

Knowing what other OEM repair manuals are like (which aren't nearly as detailed or immersive as the Ineos one), this would be a substantial download, especially for a tablet style device

 

[TCMColorado]

Knowing what other OEM repair manuals are like (which aren't nearly as detailed or immersive as the Ineos one), this would be a substantial download, especially for a tablet style device

It would almost certainly be a very large down load. And in a printed version likely thousands of pages in multiple volumes rendering it completely unwieldy for practical use.

 

[holdmybeer]

IMO if there has been a vehicle produced in the last 10 years that could or should have a sensible resource like this, it's a Grenadier.

By all means, keep a tablet in your truck at all times, rarely used but always on charge and ready to go when you need it and full of thousands of photos and exploded assembly diagrams in high detail. I love it. That's the 2% use case. I'd buy it. (I wouldn't "subscribe" to it.)

BUT please, sell me an inch thick paper manual like this with what I need 98% of the time also.

 

[NQ94]

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IMO if there has been a vehicle produced in the last 10 years that could or should have a sensible resource like this, it's a Grenadier.

By all means, keep a tablet in your truck at all times, rarely used but always on charge and ready to go when you need it and full of thousands of photos and exploded assembly diagrams in high detail. I love it. That's the 2% use case. I'd buy it. (I wouldn't "subscribe" to it.)

BUT please, sell me an inch thick paper manual like this with what I need 98% of the time also.

In Australia we have Max Ellery manuals, just as good as the Haynes one with lots of detail, covers most of what goes wrong travelling and is a good size that's easy to store in the car.

 

[Jemsquash]

I'd be happy with a tablet or laptop based system and then print off diagrams, spec sheets etc. on demand. I think I'd prefer that to paper. Especially if it is searchable. Current online manuals that I use are very archaic technology wise e.g. it took me half an hour of clicking through menus etc. trying to find where the oil pressure switch is on my html based manual for my current car. My after market repair/service manual (I forget the brand) is almost useless to me as it does not have enough detail, it only has selective repair jobs.
Diagrams are often hard to interpret too with the lines connecting to bolts connecting to bolt holes etc. Oftentimes being a headscratch until you tackle the job.
It would be nice if you could explode the overall part, select the subpart, rotate it/interact with it and click through to further information. I expect this from the snippets I've seen.
Requiring internet connectivity would make it really hard, hopefully it's not required, and if so only to improve the experience e.g. the repair procedures are local, but click throughs to order parts or watch videos would require internet access.

 

[anand]

It would be nice if you could explode the overall part, select the subpart, rotate it/interact with it and click through to further information. I expect this from the snippets I've seen.

This is effectively how the dealer level INEOS repair manual works

 

[Phred]

Mercedes used to have a system called EPC. You could subscribe yearly and access the electronic manual with instructions and part numbers.

They may still have it. I let my subscription lapse several years back.

It was a bit pricey I believe $300 a year, but well worth it when you needed to get detailed part numbers.

I’d even be in for something like that since it sounds like the electronic system INEOS currently has is quite impressive

 

[Tazzieman]

I paid 92500.00

You paid?
Don't tell me you've ever paid for digital music? Who does that?

 

[FlyersFan76]

The goal should be to have a stand alone digital copy that is fully functional without an internet connection that can be downloaded in its entirety to your tablet style device, laptop or PC. Actual paper would provide no additional benefit if these conditions are met.

I'd much rather have papers in my garage than using dirty hands on my laptop. If I had a dedicated computer for my garage that would be different of course.

 

[FlyersFan76]

It would almost certainly be a very large down load. And in a printed version likely thousands of pages in multiple volumes rendering it completely unwieldy for practical use.

My Hummer manual was 8" thick.

 

[NQ94]

I'd be happy with a tablet or laptop based system and then print off diagrams, spec sheets etc. on demand. I think I'd prefer that to paper. Especially if it is searchable. Current online manuals that I use are very archaic technology wise e.g. it took me half an hour of clicking through menus etc. trying to find where the oil pressure switch is on my html based manual for my current car. My after market repair/service manual (I forget the brand) is almost useless to me as it does not have enough detail, it only has selective repair jobs.
Diagrams are often hard to interpret too with the lines connecting to bolts connecting to bolt holes etc. Oftentimes being a headscratch until you tackle the job.
It would be nice if you could explode the overall part, select the subpart, rotate it/interact with it and click through to further information. I expect this from the snippets I've seen.
Requiring internet connectivity would make it really hard, hopefully it's not required, and if so only to improve the experience e.g. the repair procedures are local, but click throughs to order parts or watch videos would require internet access.

Some of the html manuals are not too bad because they are line diagrams, don't take up a lot of data, save and transfer easily as pdfs to other devices for field work. Some manufactures interactive 3d colour manuals take up too much storage and processing, require add ons for diagrams and some will not print or save pdf or image diagrams, email well or are very slow to load and use on some devices.