How did this vehicle get tested for over 1,000,000 miles all over the world in all different climates and this not come up? Seems very odd to me, like something changed with the parts for the production vehicle.
Hm, no I dont think so - however - there is a difference. The pre production vehicles were either assembled by Magna or in a low rate in Hambach. As not all cars have the problem but only some - I think it is production quality. So the guys doing it more slowly had more time to do their job properly. So the vehicles with the issues are recent builds or during ramp up.. or just vehicles built by employees with a hefty hangover?How did this vehicle get tested for over 1,000,000 miles all over the world in all different climates and this not come up? Seems very odd to me, like something changed with the parts for the production vehicle.
Isn’t the Hambach facility supposed to be one of the most advanced production lines in the world? In some of the videos there seem to be much more human involvement than would make sense for such an advanced operation. I did an Audi factory tour at their Ingolstadt plant in 2014 and it looked much more advanced than what I’ve seen in the videos. Just an observation, but a robot will provide much more consistent output vs a human. Also, like others have said I’m curious why the seals are applied with glue and not some type of clipped/screwed method. If a seal gets torn, good luck getting the original adhesive cleaned off!Hm, no I dont think so - however - there is a difference. The pre production vehicles were either assembled by Magna or in a low rate in Hambach. As not all cars have the problem but only some - I think it is production quality. So the guys doing it more slowly had more time to do their job properly. So the vehicles with the issues are recent builds or during ramp up.. or just vehicles built by employees with a hefty hangover?
I agree. It looks like water that first enters at the top of the door, possibly along a roof channel/drain works it’s way down the door frame, where it should release to the ground but for some reason (maybe the seal is too good and/or it’s misplace/misaligned), so it collects between the inner/outer door seals.I assume that the lower seal of the door is just too good.
That’s certainly better than to assume that the other parts of the seal fail…
Hopefully I don’t fill the door area with water, just to wait for the frost coming at night.What will happen in winter with the water?
Do we know if the prototype vehicles even had the outer door seals? These seem to be the cause of water being trapped on the outer sill.How did this vehicle get tested for over 1,000,000 miles all over the world in all different climates and this not come up? Seems very odd to me, like something changed with the parts for the production vehicle.
::Loc Nar arrives to pick up his Grenadier from the dealer::Just add this to our list of pre-check / ongoing other issues to resolve when our vehicles arrive!
I don't know if two seals apply to the rear doors, but the 2B prototypes 124 and 126 didn't have second seal in the back and I can't remember that I saw them at the side doors, but I'm not sure. The black thing you see on the left door is not a seal, it is a cable.Do we know if the prototype vehicles even had the outer door seals? These seem to be the cause of water being trapped on the outer sill.
Nothing to see here when I google that.That one shot of the water pouring from the door sill looked like the set of the Poseidon Adventure!
Update
When I initially saw this problem of collecting water between the door seals. I went out when it was raining and was suspicious of water coming off the end of the roof water channel. It looked to be either leaking just before the end of the channel or running back off the end right above the front edge of the door.
My drive is flat, this week I am parked on a different drive with about 12-15 degree slope and the vehicle is facing uphill.
After torrential rain there was a few drips and after some “normal” rain the door was completely dry.
This brings me back to that roof gutter. Clearly facing uphill the water didn’t get chance to drain off the front end !!
I haven’t noticed it on any other door apart from drivers door.
I agree with you that the issue is likely at the top of the door. My old wrangler used to have this issue also and the angle I parked it also had an impact on how much water came in. This video identifies some trouble spots for the wrangler. I wonder if some experimenting with inexpensive weather stripping might remedy the IG or at least compare the trouble spots of the driver vs. passenger doors?I agree. It looks like water that first enters at the top of the door, possibly along a roof channel/drain works it’s way down the door frame, where it should release to the ground but for some reason (maybe the seal is too good and/or it’s misplace/misaligned), so it collects between the inner/outer door seals.
I never owned a Land Rover, although I love the concept of that car ...I'll kep a notice for my memoirs: Grenadier owners use to have the same strange humor, or sarcasm, as Landy owners.
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