Survival tipI can almost smell the Doritos from here.
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Survival tipI can almost smell the Doritos from here.
Agree. I think in this case “detuning” would be better described as retuning more than anything else to better adapt torque curves etc to suit a large heavy vehicle that needs to be able to operate in heavy low speed situations and tow etc.I’d add that detuning in and of itself doesn’t signal anything other than it was an engineering choice. Take the Volvo D13 engine for example. I have 3 in my boat making 1000hp each. They are D13 IPS 1350s and are for “pleasure craft.” The same motor for “commercial use” in marine applications actually features beefier components and interchangers but is detuned to 600-800hp depending on the application. Then for non marine applications where it’s in a semi truck, for example, the HP ranges from 350-500hp. Just saying detuning means very little and certainly doesn’t imply cost savings. I would very much like to see data points and/or a statement from the company that shows a cost saving measure vs. an engineering decision.
The diesel is a bit agricultural sounding and feeling (I like this, this isn’t a downside for me) but its so sweet to drive on and off road.Not really, just trying to be accurate, but the diesels are really good now that you mention it.
I commonly post engine type and model, I am not rubbing anything in, it was a fact. It helps people understand and pick up differences between models and countries.
Did INEOS over promise and under deliver on ability to get support and to be able to do a lot of work yourself? Yes absolutely...
But there are also unrealistic expectations here from owners on the ability for your average amateur mechanic to work on modern engines and transmissions, basic servicing sure, complex issues no and this is in no way unique to INEOS/BMW.
Well said.Really just echoing much of what has been said above but my 2c.
Did INEOS over promise and under deliver on ability to get support and to be able to do a lot of work yourself? Yes absolutely, here in Australia we were promised and extensive network of both full agents and also support from a wide network of Bosch services centres. The agents have been mostly delivered the fill in service centres not at all. They promised “flying spanners” and while I know they have gone out of their way to support many owners this was a bit hyperbolic. They promised detailed service manuals and still say that in some form they are on the way, they have yet to materialise and we don’t even have basic wiring diagrams. Having said all that I have had excellent support so far from my local dealer and the community here is excellent for information and support.
Hopefully someone will eventually jailbreak the diagnostics and provide an OBd2 reader that is fully compatible. But the basic codes can be read and cleared.
But there are also unrealistic expectations here from owners on the ability for your average amateur mechanic to work on modern engines and transmissions, basic servicing sure, complex issues no and this is in no way unique to INEOS/BMW.
In terms of BMW. The two engines chosen are about as good as things get from a
BMW perspective and up there across the whole market.
Dude - no way. That is insane. I was going to say that it makes you wonder about the chemicals you ingest with that garbage, but then I recall that the single largest source of highly processed food additives, especially “cheese” themed, come from here in Madison at the University of Wisconsin. You are welcome, world. I’ll be sure to pack a bag of Doritos in my go-bag - ready for the Apocalypse. And since today is Election Day in the US - none too soon! Thanks for the tip. I guess we’re saying . . . “Wallabies???”
The Raptor is becoming somewhat de rigueur around the Old Town Scottsdale and Biltmore neighborhoods. It’s to the point that you might have trouble figuring out which Raptor is yours when you get to the parking lot. I would remind you that you have a new Ineos dealership in Glendale and Owl Manufacturing just down the street. You have relatively easy access to dealer maintenance and killer aftermarket upgrades, much moreso than the vast majority of owners. For instance, my dealer is 5 hours round trip.
As others have said, it’s the service reminders that can’t be accessed by mere mortals - yet. Supposedly, more service centers and a diagnostic / repair manual are in the works. But if having a dealer in your backyard and some of the best aftermarket upgrades a stones throw away still isn’t good enough, play it safe and get the Raptor.
You can always kick yourself later.
Does this mean the thread is over nowI don't need to "Get" the Raptor, I "have" the Raptor for the last few 4 years. It has been amazing. Back when I purchased, Ford sent you to a 2 day play on their Baja course in Utah. We pushed them hard. Very reliable. I wish it towed a bit more (One reason looking at the Grenadier). I appreciate all the input. I will wait until after the election here in the USA to see what might be my future vehicle. Thanks again
A calorie is a calorie. Potato chips do the same thing.Dude - no way. That is insane. I was going to say that it makes you wonder about the chemicals you ingest with that garbage, but then I recall that the single largest source of highly processed food additives, especially “cheese” themed, come from here in Madison at the University of Wisconsin. You are welcome, world. I’ll be sure to pack a bag of Doritos in my go-bag - ready for the Apocalypse. And since today is Election Day in the US - none too soon! Thanks for the tip. I guess we’re saying . . . “Wallabies???”
It seems like a really good time to get rid of things we’ve had for the last few 4 years… just sayin’ .I don't need to "Get" the Raptor, I "have" the Raptor for the last few 4 years. It has been amazing. Back when I purchased, Ford sent you to a 2 day play on their Baja course in Utah. We pushed them hard. Very reliable. I wish it towed a bit more (One reason looking at the Grenadier). I appreciate all the input. I will wait until after the election here in the USA to see what might be my future vehicle. Thanks again
This why I come here, I learn so much! Funny, Ozzies have these tiny little Indian Fires, but when in the mountains I might burn a cord of wood in one night
Yep, I never left. Taking it all in. I think many understood what it was I was getting at, some ...not so much. Those folks can blame me for not being clear enough. Words have always been a stumbling block in my vocabulary. We are still considering, still pondering.Did OP ever come back
So I guess I was not understanding that the Service Can't/Won't be done at BMW? (In USA) Do I have that correct? Only at INEOS. My comment about Hypocrisy was in NO part meant to be "Comical" Do you feel that INEOS had NO part to play in supporting the fact that Dealers only could clear a Service code?You are working with incorrect information or assumptions.
There is no engagement between Ineos and BMW. Some dealerships (at their discretion) may perform work on the vehicle, others have refused.
Outside of access to the appropriate filter and oil blend, there is nothing preventing you, or your favorite grease monkey from changing the oil.
No, you would be better off finding your local Ineos Dealership.
Generic codes can be cleared with a OBD2 tool like the OBDLink MX+, I have personally used it to clear several. There is not yet a field reset for the service reminder, it must be done by the dealer. I expect that will change in time.
^ Comical
Thank you. This is super well stated. As I look in the mirror, I see the truth. A bitter pill to swallow for me. I have always done all of my own vehicle service. But, I must admit that the idea that I will/could do an engine overhaul on a sophisticated BMW engine at my age is no longer reality for me. I guess I dream of what was, days now gone. I think when I read some of the Marketing jargon, I saw the words "Old School" and my brain locked on and drifted backwards to a much different time.Really just echoing much of what has been said above but my 2c.
Did INEOS over promise and under deliver on ability to get support and to be able to do a lot of work yourself? Yes absolutely, here in Australia we were promised and extensive network of both full agents and also support from a wide network of Bosch services centres. The agents have been mostly delivered the fill in service centres not at all. They promised “flying spanners” and while I know they have gone out of their way to support many owners this was a bit hyperbolic. They promised detailed service manuals and still say that in some form they are on the way, they have yet to materialise and we don’t even have basic wiring diagrams. Having said all that I have had excellent support so far from my local dealer and the community here is excellent for information and support.
Hopefully someone will eventually jailbreak the diagnostics and provide an OBd2 reader that is fully compatible. But the basic codes can be read and cleared.
But there are also unrealistic expectations here from owners on the ability for your average amateur mechanic to work on modern engines and transmissions, basic servicing sure, complex issues no and this is in no way unique to INEOS/BMW.
In terms of BMW. The two engines chosen are about as good as things get from a
BMW perspective and up there across the whole market.
So I guess I was not understanding that the Service Can't/Won't be done at BMW? (In USA) Do I have that correct? Only at INEOS.