True.... I'm also by far the best looking one in my family. But lets just say, I never been offered job modeling men's underwear. It's a good thing we have a sense of humor, and there's no accounting for some women's taste.
True.... I'm also by far the best looking one in my family. But lets just say, I never been offered job modeling men's underwear. It's a good thing we have a sense of humor, and there's no accounting for some women's taste.
I realize you are an owner, but to me it seems you are constantly kind of bashing the brand. Usually right after you are complimenting something, so I get confused (not hard to do to me being the small brain guy I am). I’m not sure if you have ever owned a BMW, but most of their engines are VERY well made, including the b58. I have owned many and been around the BMW community where many owners have the b58 stock engine blocks that usually come with a closed deck block, forged rods, and a forged crank etc which is a great foundation for making gobs of more power, and they have added bigger turbos, more fuel etc and are over 500-600hp no issues. Our Grenadier engines are “detuned” for fuel efficiency and emissions compliances basically. The TDI tune I have installed on one of my Grenny’s raises the stock power back up to the standard b58 hp numbers. But when you say the b58 is nothing special, I have to say no way you have been around the huge BMW community to see how much these b58’s are liked and used. If they weren’t reliable as you say, most would do engine swaps or use a different BMW model with a different motor. I think Ineos picked a durable AND reliable engine. Again, if you feel this way and think it’s not reliable, why did you spend $85k plus on one? Just curious and you won’t have to explain yourself to me or anyone else, but when you come on a forum and make these statements expect some to not agree.
I’d add that detuning in and of itself doesn’t signal anything other than it was an engineering choice. Take the Volvo D13 engine for example. I have 3 in my boat making 1000hp each. They are D13 IPS 1350s and are for “pleasure craft.” The same motor for “commercial use” in marine applications actually features beefier components and interchangers but is detuned to 600-800hp depending on the application. Then for non marine applications where it’s in a semi truck, for example, the HP ranges from 350-500hp. Just saying detuning means very little and certainly doesn’t imply cost savings. I would very much like to see data points and/or a statement from the company that shows a cost saving measure vs. an engineering decision.
I have to ask you, what you think about the “R”? I literally was 24hrs away from buying one. Did you own the regular Raptor before and if so could you really feel the difference in power between the 2? I assume yes as really let’s be honest you bought the “R” for the 720hp right?! Come on don’t lie!!
. Ordered in early 2023 and it came in April 24. Only one the dealer got for the year, he says. When you are ready, it is ready! Had a platinum with 110k miles on it, son wanted it. So, will sell his 2 dr Rubicon or my 4 dr to make a little room for the Grenadier. However, the R is aggressive, fun to drive, and won’t be leaving. Like cruising on your Harley daily.![[ Adam ]](https://ineosforum-data.community.forum/avatars/m/9046/9046040.jpg?1705937698){kind=avatar}
The original explanation was to optimise torque at low rpm. You can take that with a pinch of salt or not, but as Toyota adapted the BMW motor for the Supra after their durability tests, you can expect the engine to last. Modern engine tuning is more of a matter of programming than hand finishing special components, so I would suggest the innards are much the same quality, based on the economic benefits of standardisation and economies of scale.
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Just don’t engage, or as Twain said: “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience”IMO, anyone and I mean anyone who says the b58 is not reliable or durable shouldn’t even be discussing engines on any forums because they don’t know shit about engines.
Please read:
How The BMW B58 Became The Most Reliable BMW Engine Ever Made
In just nine years, the B58 has a proven track record for strength, reliability, and power
Here is one caption from this article:
“the B58 is running the show under the hood of the flagship model, all of which suggests that the B58 is a future icon in the making. Its accolades include a WardsAuto Best Engines award for 2016, 2017, 2019, and 2020. The BMW engine's reputation for reliability“……Zimm, when you wrote: “The b58 ain’t nuttin’ special”, you lost all credibility with me. I am sure you could care less, but when I smell something is off I have to try to figure out why. There are tons of other articles praising the b58 as well. You either have to be trolling or really are on here to just bash the brand. Why would anyone buy a vehicle and spend $85k plus on something they didn’t think the engine, THE HEART & SOLE OF A VEHICLE, was reliable or “anything special”? It makes no sense at all. Maybe you are a teenager or 20’s something young man and the Grenadier you speak about or show pics of is actually your fathers. That’s the only thing that makes sense to me. Again, the way you write about the Grenadier (this is not the first time we have not agreed on something relating to the Grenadier), I can’t see you being the actual owner. Something is off.
I leave with this passage from the linked article:
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