Heater issues - not directly air con

[Jeremy996]

My Grenadier shows signs of never directing air into the footwells, the dash vents and windscreen are fine, but selecting the footwells just gets a slight increase in noise and no extra air towards my feet. Now the weather is getting cooler, it is now an issue. (Both the dealer and I had hoped that the new software would fix it, but no such luck).

I've spoken to the dealer and the vehicle is booked for some investigation in December, so does anyone have experience of this circumstance?

 

[dynosoar]

Yes, I was about to start a thread entitled "Anyone getting Cold Feet?"
My heating and ventilation system does exactly what it wants and never seems to succeed in directing air effectively anywhere.
De-misting only wants to blow cold air seemingly.
Trying to get any heat to your feet results in various fan noises but no warm air.
I have tried just about every combination of controls to get some sort of effect predictable with little luck. I was hoping to find the software update as being a reported fix.
it is most unsatisfactory really. I would have thought one of the key things to include in a ruffty tuffty 4X4 was effective heat and de-mist. I don't think I would have any chance of shifting a frost from the window at the moment. Or as least I could probably have walked to the destination in the time it takes to warm up.
All this with the engine temp gauge showing good and warm.
This is the first fault that has really got me annoyed. All of the other stuff has been pretty inconsequential and kind of half expected on a new platform.
But how can the testing not show this problem?
I did have my suspicions about the Air Con in the summer but the weather was so poor this year it was less of an issue. Again, it seems to have a mind of its own and attempts to adjust requirements were met with confusing results. Left on auto seemed best but inconsistent I think.

I would be interested to hear of others experience and hopefully successes.

A

 

[Trialmaster]

Agree - with the above.
AC with Cold selected is fine.
However, heat it is not predictable. Sometimes lots of heat, other times less and it doesn't happen until approximately 2/3 miles have been covered.

I wasn't aware of the no heat to feet problem, until I read elsewhere about it and I can confirm, I can't achieve heat to my feet.

I guess this will be Software Update 2 fix.

 

[erricco111]

Same problem here ...

 

[Mitchell300]

Following the software update I had no heating on the drivers side (RHD). After reading the post linked below I gave it a try, heating has now been working normally for a couple of days. On the motorway at about 65 mph, opened and closed both front windows a couple of times and that worked.

Post in thread 'Air conditioning - heating'
https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/air-conditioning-heating.12413098/post-1333231539

 

[Orcmurd]

Before the recent cold snap, I used the front screen demist button which appears to channel all available warm air to the windscreen and front side windows. It seemed to work well. Not tried it over the last few days but was driving tonight with external temperature of -1 degree C and turning the AC off seemed to generate some warmer air. However, the cabin is a large area to try to warm up, so expect it would take some time to get the cabin warm let alone toasty.
Agree the system seems to have a mind of its own.

 

[Snow678]

I havae the same issue and it was extreme cold on the passengers side during the whole 2h drive with 2°C outside. The air in the footwell was very cold and it seems to come from the outside and I also tried different positions and options. Even in automatic mode, my windshield gets verry foggy.

Hope they will fix it with an update

 

[Jeremy996]

To update this as I got my Grenadier back from the supplying dealer this lunchtime, the heater now directs warm air to my feet on demand. From the warranty work sheets, which Jason would only read out, not let me see, it was a multi-stage process. involving ringing Lee at Ineos Automotive several times for suggestions.

1. Reset software. Let vehicle go to sleep, restart and test heater (Fail)
2. Check and top up both high and low tempreture cooling circuits, (add 400ml to the high tempreture circuit as it was low).
Let vehicle go to sleep, restart and test heater (Fail)
3. Reset software, Let vehicle go to sleep, restart and test heater (Fail)
4. Turn heater tempreture past 27C, (just before max). Let vehicle go to sleep, restart and test heater (Pass!)

My suggestion for anyone suffering is start the vehicle, turn the heater up to 27C. Turn the vehicle off, lock it and walk away for 20 minutes. Come back to it and take a spirited drive to warm it through; hopefully you'll have toasty feet. Failing that, it's a dealer job!

 

[Krabby]

To update this as I got my Grenadier back from the supplying dealer this lunchtime, the heater now directs warm air to my feet on demand. From the warranty work sheets, which Jason would only read out, not let me see, it was a multi-stage process. involving ringing Lee at Ineos Automotive several times for suggestions.

1. Reset software. Let vehicle go to sleep, restart and test heater (Fail)
2. Check and top up both high and low tempreture cooling circuits, (add 400ml to the high tempreture circuit as it was low).
Let vehicle go to sleep, restart and test heater (Fail)
3. Reset software, Let vehicle go to sleep, restart and test heater (Fail)
4. Turn heater tempreture past 27C, (just before max). Let vehicle go to sleep, restart and test heater (Pass!)

My suggestion for anyone suffering is start the vehicle, turn the heater up to 27C. Turn the vehicle off, lock it and walk away for 20 minutes. Come back to it and take a spirited drive to warm it through; hopefully you'll have toasty feet. Failing that, it's a dealer job!

Have you seen this thread? AIR LOCK

Apparently there's an issue with air in the HVAC system that once bled, seems to remedy the issues with the heat.

 

[Jeremy996]

Have you seen this thread? AIR LOCK

Apparently there's an issue with air in the HVAC system that once bled, seems to remedy the issues with the heat.

That may explain the 400ml into the coolant system, but not the failure to warm feet.

 

[Jeremy996]

Cross checking other threads seems to be fruitful; looks like my dealer was actually bleeding the coolant system as well as adding a bit of coolant https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/back-at-the-dealer-for-5-weeks-and-counting.12413766/page-2 entry #32 refers with 3 pages of procedure.

 

[River Meese]

Ok Ive ben complaining about the cold footwell issue.
Big differential between temp from footwell vents Temp set to Max 28, drivers side 20c, passenger side 32c.
My dealer McKinnons Uttoxeter have bled the system today and topped up coolant with1 litre? no leaks.

Heating to footwells better balanced and much hotter temp set to 28c, both footwell vents chucking out air at 65c

HOWEVER set temp to 24c and both footwell vents air flow drops to 13-14c

Settings in both instances Manual / fan speed 2/ vent direction footwell.


Sent grumpy email to Ineos car going back to dealer 16th Dec

Pretty poor for a £70k vehicle.

 

[Cheshire cat]

My Grenadier shows signs of never directing air into the footwells, the dash vents and windscreen are fine, but selecting the footwells just gets a slight increase in noise and no extra air towards my feet. Now the weather is getting cooler, it is now an issue. (Both the dealer and I had hoped that the new software would fix it, but no such luck).

I've spoken to the dealer and the vehicle is booked for some investigation in December, so does anyone have experience of this circumstance?

Hi Jeremy
I have a similar issue. At least, now I have a warm cab, following topping up the blue header tank. Another thing I find, when turning on the auto, my air con always comes on and I have to switch it off again each time.
Currently I wouldn't put the heating as much better than my old Defender.

 

[HereinDaRockies]

It boggles my mind how IA messed this up. HVAC is not cutting edge technology. I purchased my vehicle during summer so no sense of how f-ed up the heater is.

I don’t get warm air while on face mode only.

I get warm air only from feet vents. But while in feet only mode, rear vents are turned off, so I can’t use this mode while transporting rear passengers.

With face + feet enabled, I get warm air front and back, but I also get a very audible wind/whistle, in the dash region. The first time my wife sat in the car when it became cold, I messing around hvsc settings, feeling for air flow in the rear, and avoiding the wind whistle noise… 10 mins into the drive, she asks what is wrong with the heater. Now she gives me grief for having purchased a problematic, “dumb” car. WTF Ineos?!

This is why I am not getting excited about disabling adas clicks.. pivot that resource to rectify the broken hvac system..

 

[Orcmurd]

I couldn’t get any heat out of the fave vents and floor vents and overall getting warm air was patchy. My dealer did the auto bleed on cold startup and that has helped a lot.

My observations are that on first start up each day when external temp is below c. 8 degrees, I get plenty of hot air after about 5-10 minutes once engine temp is sufficent. However, if I then switch off, leave vehicle for say 30 minutes, then upon restart, I don’t always get hot air.

I always run my HVAC on auto/aircon on setting.

Overall, current status is better than last winter when I could get no hot air but ultimately, the HVAC/heating system isn’t reliable or what I expect from a £70k car.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Just come in from a trip in my Grenadier with temperatures just above freezing.
The seats are brilliant and provide plenty of heat. The cab was nice and warm too.
For some reason, my knees and shins felt really cold in comparison to everything else.
At this point, I have sort of given up thinking there is any logic to how the heating is distributed.
On the plus side. Doesn't ruin my enjoyment of this vehicle in any way.

 

[Skydance]

It boggles my mind how IA messed this up. HVAC is not cutting edge technology. I purchased my vehicle during summer so no sense of how f-ed up the heater is.

I don’t get warm air while on face mode only.

I get warm air only from feet vents. But while in feet only mode, rear vents are turned off, so I can’t use this mode while transporting rear passengers.

With face + feet enabled, I get warm air front and back, but I also get a very audible wind/whistle, in the dash region. The first time my wife sat in the car when it became cold, I messing around hvsc settings, feeling for air flow in the rear, and avoiding the wind whistle noise… 10 mins into the drive, she asks what is wrong with the heater. Now she gives me grief for having purchased a problematic, “dumb” car. WTF Ineos?!

This is why I am not getting excited about disabling adas clicks.. pivot that resource to rectify the broken hvac system..

The audible wind whistle noise is when the the blend doors are stuck on between two functions (face and feet) and flaps not closing properly (as if something is stuck). I very occasionally get this. Goes away when I go manual and give it a blast.

But topping up coolant to max on both reservoirs making sure they are balanced has made a big improvement. Heater is hot very quickly and no more condensation.

 

[Skydance]

Just come in from a trip in my Grenadier with temperatures just above freezing.
The seats are brilliant and provide plenty of heat. The cab was nice and warm too.
For some reason, my knees and shins felt really cold in comparison to everything else.
At this point, I have sort of given up thinking there is any logic to how the heating is distributed.
On the plus side. Doesn't ruin my enjoyment of this vehicle in any way.

I would do another bleed and then monitor the coolant to see if goes down. Then you know it’s air your replacing and requires more coolant.

 

[Skydance]

Hi Jeremy
I have a similar issue. At least, now I have a warm cab, following topping up the blue header tank. Another thing I find, when turning on the auto, my air con always comes on and I have to switch it off again each time.
Currently I wouldn't put the heating as much better than my old Defender.

It’s normal on all modern cars if you press auto, aircon comes on. Apparently you should always keep the aircon on even it’s winter to get rid of condensation, air con smells if it’s rarely turned on from bacteria and air con gases evaporates if you don’t use it. I always have mine on.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Lots of good feedback from Skydance. Much appreciated.