Grenadier vs 2024 Land Cruiser

[YellowLab]

Maybe not what SHOULD be done though…. The thermal energy flow on that has to be epic…

Yes - their version is tied to 500 combined HP electric motors - the results are pretty biblical:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMmPYfW_Psg

 

[Boston Boy]

I could have sworn that they mentioned a disconnect for the front sway bar? I assume that means a solid axle?

I still don’t get the positioning on this. I guess you have the models you have so they brought this here because we were all Wailing about the LC leaving. The LExus GX version would have madd more sense, I think, but I guess they didn’t want to rebrand it again.

But if the base model here is $55k, a stripper 4Runner 2023 is $40-$45. I guess a TRD PRO is about $55k, which is where these start, but I’d think that the 4Runner is going up in price, unless they are going to decontent it a bit to keep the price lower.

I believe they also all (including base model) have center and rear lockers, 1400watt inverter, Hybrid (in the US)

 

[MarkH]

Same story with the 2.0 bi-turbo Ranger, no evidence of it being a grenade yet but I'd rather the V6 if towing.
If the new LC/Prado gets 3.5T towing in AU they'll sell a shipload to the grey nomads etc, especially now Jeep has dropped diesel from the Grand Cherokees. Although, GCM could ruin the party as the Hilux is only 5850 I think. GVM could also be an issue but an upgrade should be possible. I'd say they'll be $90-95k for the poverty pack, 105k for the upper spec. Add 20k for mods/access and you're 15-25k away from a TM.

 

[bigleonski]

LC300 seems good so far. I know two owners and they have both excellent satisfaction with the LC300 so far. Both in GXL spec. Big expensive though for what it is.

Reports of them drinking oil big time, and a few turbos going bang.
Early 200's use about a litre of oil per 10,000km throughout their life and no issues, but this seems to be way more than that.

 

[Fab]

Same story with the 2.0 bi-turbo Ranger, no evidence of it being a grenade yet but I'd rather the V6 if towing.
If the new LC/Prado gets 3.5T towing in AU they'll sell a shipload to the grey nomads etc, especially now Jeep has dropped diesel from the Grand Cherokees. Although, GCM could ruin the party as the Hilux is only 5850 I think. GVM could also be an issue but an upgrade should be possible. I'd say they'll be $90-95k for the poverty pack, 105k for the upper spec. Add 20k for mods/access and you're 15-25k away from a TM.

And what is a TM?

 

[Tom D]

The more over worked an engine is the less time it will last. Sure you can squeeze power out of a 4 cylinder, but dont expect it to do 700,000 miles like the V8 can.

 

[Jiman01]

And what is a TM?

Trialmaster

 

[trobex]

Same story with the 2.0 bi-turbo Ranger, no evidence of it being a grenade yet but I'd rather the V6 if towing.
If the new LC/Prado gets 3.5T towing in AU they'll sell a shipload to the grey nomads etc, especially now Jeep has dropped diesel from the Grand Cherokees. Although, GCM could ruin the party as the Hilux is only 5850 I think. GVM could also be an issue but an upgrade should be possible. I'd say they'll be $90-95k for the poverty pack, 105k for the upper spec. Add 20k for mods/access and you're 15-25k away from a TM.

A few reported injector issues with the 2L (T), but for this engine must be strung right out to get the power it is delivering. I would opt for the V6 3L anyday for towing... I have taken the 3L TD Ranger for a spin a few times now, it sure goes quick for a ute...

 

[Tom109]

I wonder if Ineos would sell more chequerplate kits if the holes were predrilled in all vehicles and just filled with grommets or painted bolts?

I was told the holes are drilled in the checker plate but the dealers have to drill the holes in the panels.

Maybe the solution is adhesive? You might be able to mount them with PSA film.

 

[MileHigh]

O r just more airplane ‘rail’ on there and use that to attach it.

Only kind of kidding…

 

[255/85]

Maybe the solution is adhesive? You might be able to mount them with PSA film.

I suggested adhesive once before but was summarily shot down. Reason given was the strength of the paint. I doubt it'd be a problem in most cases.

 

[vjmvjm]

The more over worked an engine is the less time it will last. Sure you can squeeze power out of a 4 cylinder, but dont expect it to do 700,000 miles like the V8 can.

Yes, because I want to live long enough to drive a vehicle to 700,000 miles.

 

[Aurans]

Someone early in this thread said that the IG and new LC are totally different birds. I disagree. The commonality is a consumer like me, who could afford the IG but doesn’t think it’s worth the potential risk in Year One. Also, I honestly don’t need that level of robustness (assuming it really is). I canceled my order and now am looking at the LC. Why? It’s cheap. I won’t mind if I scratch it or kitting it out to be my personal expression. I have to imagine it’ll sell exponentially more units than IG, so the aftermarket accessories will be plentiful. I ask feel a lot more comfortable relying on Toyota than Ineos. I don’t tow anything, just haul Boy Scouts around for camping, so the 4 cylinder should be fine. If not, I’ll look at the Lexus.

 

[Deichrutscher]

I think similar.

The Landcruiser and the new Amarok (for the Quartermaster) definitely have the potential to be good competitors.
Being fortunate enough to be able to drive a well-running Amarok with a Canopy Camper, I'm in no hurry to make my decision.

• At the moment the Grenadier just has too many mistakes.
• At Toyota (and VW), I expect an almost flawless car from the market launch.
• In addition, there is the expected lower price and the denser dealer network.
• Quartermaster only:
  Ineos gives away valuable cargo space for the spare wheel.
  The competitors (Toyota Hilux, VW Amarok, Ford Ranger/Maverick) also manage to create space under the car for this.
  The argument that you can't get there off-road doesn't count for me:
  If I know that I'm driving over difficult terrain, then I can always put the spare wheel in the luggage compartment or on the roof.

Ineos still has (for me) about 1 year to iron out its own errors and to keep promised statements (online repair manual, parts catalogue, etc.).
Technical documents (assembly guidelines and technical drawings), such as those for the VW Amarok, would also be important to me.

These points will influence my decision.
In the end, Ineos would like to have around €20-30,000 more than its competitors.

And it's no use to me if the Ineos is fundamentally better built, but due to its errors it needs more workshop visits than a (perhaps) slightly less off-road car.

 

[James]

Someone early in this thread said that the IG and new LC are totally different birds. I disagree. The commonality is a consumer like me, who could afford the IG but doesn’t think it’s worth the potential risk in Year One. Also, I honestly don’t need that level of robustness (assuming it really is). I canceled my order and now am looking at the LC. Why? It’s cheap. I won’t mind if I scratch it or kitting it out to be my personal expression. I have to imagine it’ll sell exponentially more units than IG, so the aftermarket accessories will be plentiful. I ask feel a lot more comfortable relying on Toyota than Ineos. I don’t tow anything, just haul Boy Scouts around for camping, so the 4 cylinder should be fine. If not, I’ll look at the Lexus.

Whether a given person sees them as comparable or not is going to depend on the person, but it’s really just an example of the reality that most people - the majority - who compare them will choose Toyota or other mainstream. That’s ok; it is exactly what being a niche car means.
People who choose a grenadier and follow through to purchase are more likely to disagree about them being comparable; that is a reflection of the niche itself. If you’re in the niche, you dont see a lot of choice, and that’s not being ‘fanboy’ish. If you like the grenadier, but the other options are compelling, dont feel bad, that’s perfectly valid, and youre in the majority. This vehicle makes less everyday compromises, in aid of being really good at a more defined ‘mission’. I love it, but Id never suggest your LC decision is anything other than correct.
enjoy!

 

[DaveB]

Someone early in this thread said that the IG and new LC are totally different birds. I disagree. The commonality is a consumer like me, who could afford the IG but doesn’t think it’s worth the potential risk in Year One. Also, I honestly don’t need that level of robustness (assuming it really is). I canceled my order and now am looking at the LC. Why? It’s cheap. I won’t mind if I scratch it or kitting it out to be my personal expression. I have to imagine it’ll sell exponentially more units than IG, so the aftermarket accessories will be plentiful. I ask feel a lot more comfortable relying on Toyota than Ineos. I don’t tow anything, just haul Boy Scouts around for camping, so the 4 cylinder should be fine. If not, I’ll look at the Lexus.

You are describing the general process of buying a vehicle.
What are my needs, wants and preferences.
Finance comes into it but if you can afford all of the vehicles on your shortlist then it becomes just a decision point.
If the LC meets your needs then go for it.
It does not mean anything negative just a decision you made for your requirements.
Too many people look at it that if you disagree with me you are saying I am wrong.
No we have just reached different decisions
Either, or both of us, may be wrong or right, or both.
we may be at different stages of our life
You may prefer blondes and i may prefer red heads.
We may discover both our partners dye their hair.

 

[Farglebah]

You may prefer blondes and i may prefer red heads.
We may discover both our partners dye their hair.

So my wife is brunette and dyes any sign of age out of it. Are you saying I should cancel my order?

 

[MileHigh]

The Land Cruiser definitely is the main competitor against the grenadier. I’d have to say the best thing about it is that it is a great fall back in case the grenadier ends up being a complete lemon. And this is just the Land Cruiser, I know the 4runner is even less of a direct offset, but it will be interesting to see what they do with that, and how they position it. If the Land Cruiser had come out with a turbo six cylinder, I think I’d be definitely out on the IG. I know a V-8 was never in the cards, but that would’ve been a complete boxer drop.
It’s good to have at least one other viable option than the grenadier. We ended up needing to buy a new 4 x 4 in a time crunch. We bought a 2023 4Runner. You can definitely feel that it is really long in the tooth. Especially around the electronics side.

 

[anand]

We bought a 2023 4Runner. You can definitely feel that it is really long in the tooth. Especially around the electronics side.

I hope you realize that the '23 4Runner has way more electronics and modules and, quite frankly, techy gadgets, than the Grenadier does...

 

[Tom109]

The Land Cruiser definitely is the main competitor against the grenadier.

I feel that “for you” is the key qualifier to that statement.