Grenadier vs 2024 Land Cruiser

[anand]

On all modells?

On the Toyota side, pretty much anything IFS and in the past 20 or so years that uses ADD; Nissan side I know it is how the Frontier and Titan work, I would imagine the Xterra as well

 

[DaveB]

To answer your questions specifically

• Off road mode will bypass the requirement that the door is closed to engage drive/reverse
• Exiting wading mode (or off road mode) can be done by cycling the ignition (with an off time >30 seconds)
• If you damage the wheel speed sensors, you will most likely lose the ability to engage the front/rear differential locks; for comparison, losing a wheel speed sensor in a Toyota/Nissan will cause you to lose 4WD

One of Andrew SPW video's he lost an ABS sensor out in the Desert on the Canning Stock Route.
Was stuck in 2WD which meant lots of towing.
Had he been by himself he wouldn't have made it.

 

[DaveB]

It's easy to rag on creature comforts like a heated steering wheel, but it's one of those things that don't effect the vehicle's ability to get you home. As long as it has a fuse it will not leave you stranded. I find it quite nice for extreme weather in my Jeep (and if Jeep can build this feature reliably, anyone can).

Cameras and proximity sensors as well, they don't increase your odds of getting stranded.

The Grenadier does seem to be computerized in ways that do make me nervous, for instance the car refusing to move with a door cracked open. Will a faulty or damage sensor leave the car immobile? Or perhaps the vehicle refusing to exit wade mode, hindering its ability to cool itself. The lockers also rely on wheel speed sensors; what happens if those get damaged or faulty?

Time will tell.

Yes but you need it in a Jeep Wrangler because the cabin isn't insulated

 

[bigleonski]

One of Andrew SPW video's he lost an ABS sensor out in the Desert on the Canning Stock Route.
Was stuck in 2WD which meant lots of towing.
Had he been by himself he wouldn't have made it.

That’s interesting because I lost an ABS sensor in some ugly stuff at Fraser Island. The dash was lit up like a Christmas tree for a week, but I didn’t lose any functionality of the 4wd system - either CDL in high, or low range at any time. Perhaps it was different issues?

 

[DesertGecko]

That’s interesting because I lost an ABS sensor in some ugly stuff at Fraser Island. The dash was lit up like a Christmas tree for a week, but I didn’t lose any functionality of the 4wd system - either CDL in high, or low range at any time. Perhaps it was different issues?

Losing a abs sensor will disable traction control, but in a car with manual diff locks it shouldn't matter at all.

My defender has traction control and difflocks and it's blissfully unaware of what diff locks I'm operating.

 

[anand]

That’s interesting because I lost an ABS sensor in some ugly stuff at Fraser Island. The dash was lit up like a Christmas tree for a week, but I didn’t lose any functionality of the 4wd system - either CDL in high, or low range at any time. Perhaps it was different issues?

Ahhh you said the magic words here, CDL... So if your system is full time 4WD, there's nothing to "lose" per se. On the IFS trucks that are selectable 4WD, loss of wheel speed sensor disables the ADD (what engages the front diff)

 

[DaveB]

That’s interesting because I lost an ABS sensor in some ugly stuff at Fraser Island. The dash was lit up like a Christmas tree for a week, but I didn’t lose any functionality of the 4wd system - either CDL in high, or low range at any time. Perhaps it was different issues?

Not sure which vehicle it was in. Might have been a new landrover defender.
One that uses electronic traction control as main 4wd capability.
It was over a year ago

 

[bigleonski]

Not sure which vehicle it was in. Might have been a new landrover defender.
One that uses electronic traction control as main 4wd capability.
It was over a year ago

Ah, I assumed it would have been a 70 series yota given his fanboi status.

 

[mkennedy009]

I am excited about the projected 27mpg:

MPG for Hybrid Land Cruiser 2.4L iForce Max Fuel Economy = 27 MPG (Toyota estimate)

Toyota has released the fuel economy estimates for the new Land Cruiser with 2.4L iForce Max hybrid engine 8.7L/100km = 27 MPG

www.landcruisergaf.com

The IG 14mpg was the heart breaker for me. Although it was 4mpg better than my 1978 F-150 short bed. Just sucked when I drove to my folks house and back (100 Miles rt) and had to fill up before the next trip. Then I replaced the 19 gal with a 38 gal tank. I filled up less but $$$$. after the first 35 gallon fill ($140), I never let it get below half. It was sold to reserve a Bronco, then the IG and now the LC(?). We will see. Motor bikes need to be sold soon.

 

[DaveB]

Ah, I assumed it would have been a 70 series yota given his fanboi status.

I can't find it on his website and he has a habit of taking video's down if they get negative comments.
I assume after he gets paid.

 

[anand]

The IG 14mpg was the heart breaker for me.

That hasn't ever been an officially tested/certified figure....

 

[alvan]

Excuse me, but do you really believe that whoever invested a couple of million pounds in a project didn't know that Toyota (Jeep, Land Rover, Mercedes, Ford, etc), inevitably, was planning new models and didn't take it into account? And do you think Toyota's numbers are in the same market area as a sophisticated niche like Ineos? I have a Toyota, I would never want one because my automotive culture, perhaps elitist, is different. The point is to maintain the image and substance of a niche product of 20-30,000 units a year, according to a plan industry that I don't think, as with other 'niche' experiences in the past, was prepared in the back room... Honestly, I'm a bit tired of people who intervene in a forum explicitly dedicated to a brand to put generic shadows (and not aimed to technical solutions) on a product that the participants in the forum have already chosen or perhaps already own. I would have no problems on a generic 4x4 forum but here, honestly, I find all of this quite unproductive...

 

[Farglebah]

Ah, I assumed it would have been a 70 series yota given his fanboi status.

If my sieve of a memory serves, he knocked a wheel sensor off his 70 series on the Canning and made a point of it being able to continue with full 4wd whereas a New Defender would have been disabled. I think there was a YouTuber in the UK who then tested that and found the Defender would have been OK.

Now, what was I doing… “HONEY, HAVE YOU SEEN MY CAR KEYS?”

 

[Farglebah]

The point is to maintain the image and substance of a niche product of 20-30,000 units a year

Spot on. If Ineos sold every one of those in Australia, it would still be out sold by Hilux by 2 to 1. It would only be 3% of the the total market here and Australia is only about 1% of the global automobile market. Most definitely a niche.

 

[Jiman01]

In one of the video's Sir Jim said he is seriously disappointed by the amount of tech they had to put in to pass global homologation standards.
I can't recall which one but I think he was driving it at the time.
So the dream and plan was to have somewhere between none and as little as possible.
unfortunately "as little as possible" means different things in different markets.
As you can see even on this forum we have people who are demanding lane departure warning, brake assist, radar cruise control, 360 camera's etc etc.

For me the only piece of tech besides ABS/DSC, that I‘ve come to really like is the relatively new rear view camera in some vehicles. It allows you to add nets/partitions and gear into the rear load space without obstructing your view vs. a traditional mirror. If it does crap out on you, the mirror can be turned down, similar to the change in angle when someone shines their high beams in your rear view mirror, turning the mirror into a normal rear view.

As for the rest, I could do without the additional nanny sensors, but I get many people find them useful. I am not one of those who do.

 

[Jiman01]

Perhaps a Mercedes SUV would do
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I drove one of those ...a friends. A fancy, very expensive, high tech phone charger on 4 wheels

The parking lot 4-wheel steering was actually kinda cool.

 

[DaveB]

I drove one of those ...a friends. A fancy, very expensive, high tech phone charger on 4 wheels

The parking lot 4-wheel steering was actually kinda cool.

I was about to place an order for a GLE Couple when I happened upon the Grenadier.

 

[vjmvjm]

I was about to place an order for a GLE Couple when I happened upon the Grenadier.
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Yeah, they are very similar vehicles with the same purpose and demographic.

 

[DaveB]

Yeah, they are very similar vehicles with the same purpose and demographic.

Almost identical.
It would be easy to mistake one for the other in a car park.

 

[holdmybeer]

Almost identical.
It would be easy to mistake one for the other in a car park.
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I bet there’s a lot of folks (not auto enthusiasts) who would look at those two and say, “four doors, grey in colour, looks expensive, probably a rich asshole driving it … same shit”