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I’m interested in the next 4Runner too. Just bought a 23 4RUnner for my son. When you look at it and the new 24LC specs, I’m worried that they 4Runner is going down market- and down capability.
Yet the performance specifications for the 4cyl are above the 4.5lt V8 in the 70 series. Talking diesel engines here.
If the IG didn't exist I'd be driving a 300 series GX (base model in AU)
Wonder how the life expectancy of the the big 4 cyl is compared to the V8. Perhaps those 8 speed transmissions help them pull better than the V8s. Heck if I know but, my V8 4Runner was a better hauler than the V6 4Runner.Yet the performance specifications for the 4cyl are above the 4.5lt V8 in the 70 series. Talking diesel engines here.
Life span should be the same, many 4cyl 2.8s in AU have in excess of 400k klms and still going strong. There is no replacement for displacement so if pulling power is needed, V8 is the go.
I believe in function over form, and I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but man that’s fugly.Not to knock Toyota, but nothing they offer check my boxes. This, however, could be my perfect 3rd (4th?) vehicle. EV Hilux prototype.
2 or 3-seater long bed. Simple and utilitarian.
That figure includes a 200 HP electric motor which, according to Car and Driver, will give you 6 miles of fully electric driving. Not too shabby.
Won’t effect me I have 2 real land cruisers not this turbo 4 cyl hybrid with no tail gate
Yeah, amazing how they screwed that up!
I am not aware of a hybrid assist vehicle that offers up full use of the batteries as you propose. Nor do I know how the new LC charges these batteries if you present these addition loads.Looks like the '24 Land Cruiser will be available in Canada after over 30 years of us not getting them at all.
2024 Toyota Land Cruiser Returns to its Origin
TORONTO, Ontario - (August 2nd, 2023) – Legends never die. Toyota’s off-road icon and longest-running nameplate is making a triumphant comeback to Canada for the 2024 model year, returning to its rugged origin.media.toyota.ca
Looks like a really compelling option, and if the pricing translates from the US announced MSRP, then in Canada it will be in the low $60k range. The Electric Rubicon Wrangler, being a potentially more appropriate (more on that in a moment) comparator, would mean it is in the high $60s in Canada. That's $20k to $30k cheaper than the Gren, which is a lot.
If the Land Cruiser comes out with specs that even nip at the heels of the Gren in terms of payload, roof and wading, (let's say they allow for 1600+ lbs payload, and 200 lbs roof load, and let's say 26 inches wading) it would be a very tough choice as to which was the better Off Road Tourer in Canada. But if they "Tacoma-ize" the specs - where you only get a 1400 lbs payload, a 100 lbs roof load, and a wading depth of say 12 inches (height of the wheel hubs) then it won't be a contest.
The reason I say the 4Xe Electric Rubicon might be more appropriate is that one of the compelling things on the new Cruiser is this 1.8 kilowatt battery system. The con is obviously it makes the drive train more complex, but the pro might be how they make that energy accessible - that's equivalent to a pretty generous number of amp hours for things like a fridge, an induction camp stove, an electric hot water heater - and the payload and other off-road specs allow you to load up the LC, then it would actually be a really tidy little touring wagon. On the Gren, you have to add your own secondary electrical system, and that takes time and money and weight, so if the LC is nipping at it's heels WITH the functional addition of a "Dual battery system" via given the user access to that power reserve when in camp...colour me interested. Especially at $60k.
Edit: My Sunday coffee hadn't kicked in yet and my first blush at the math was wrong. Here's apples to apples comparison:
Formula: Amp Hours = (KWh x 1000) / Volts
Typically Setup - Deep Cycle
110 Amp Hours (55 Useable) = (KWh x 1000) / 12
55 x 12 = KWh x 1000
660 / 1000 = KWh
0.66Kwh
Typical Setup Lithium
110 Amp Hours (110 Useable) = (KWh x 1000) / 12
110 x 12 = KWh x 1000
1.32 KWh
Toyota's Built-In Battery
?? Amp Hours = (1.87 KWh x 1000) / 12
155.83 Amp Hours
So - even if Toyota's battery is more akin to a deep cycle (only 50% usable power), that would still give a person 75 Amp Hours. That's more than a typical deep cycle setup, and is plenty for a fridge for a few days. If it was supplemented by a solar cell, it could be enough to add a few other electric-powered accessories like an induction cooker. If - and that's a big IF - they make it accessible to the end user.
I agree with you Tom - it's unlikely for sure. And I rented a Wrangler on Friday for a trip I was on...I do miss my solid axles!
with a trendy (Chevy) high hood to obscure the road ahead...Not to knock Toyota, but nothing they offer checks my boxes. This, however, could be my perfect 3rd (4th?) vehicle. EV Hilux prototype.
Typically Toyota's hybrid systems run on a ~276v system and not useable for powering equipment.Looks like the '24 Land Cruiser will be available in Canada after over 30 years of us not getting them at all.
2024 Toyota Land Cruiser Returns to its Origin
TORONTO, Ontario - (August 2nd, 2023) – Legends never die. Toyota’s off-road icon and longest-running nameplate is making a triumphant comeback to Canada for the 2024 model year, returning to its rugged origin.
Looks like a really compelling option, and if the pricing translates from the US announced MSRP, then in Canada it will be in the low $60k range. The Electric Rubicon Wrangler, being a potentially more appropriate (more on that in a moment) comparator, would mean it is in the high $60s in Canada. That's $20k to $30k cheaper than the Gren, which is a lot.
If the Land Cruiser comes out with specs that even nip at the heels of the Gren in terms of payload, roof and wading, (let's say they allow for 1600+ lbs payload, and 200 lbs roof load, and let's say 26 inches wading) it would be a very tough choice as to which was the better Off Road Tourer in Canada. But if they "Tacoma-ize" the specs - where you only get a 1400 lbs payload, a 100 lbs roof load, and a wading depth of say 12 inches (height of the wheel hubs) then it won't be a contest.
The reason I say the 4Xe Electric Rubicon might be more appropriate is that one of the compelling things on the new Cruiser is this 1.8 kilowatt battery system. The con is obviously it makes the drive train more complex, but the pro might be how they make that energy accessible - that's equivalent to a pretty generous number of amp hours for things like a fridge, an induction camp stove, an electric hot water heater - and the payload and other off-road specs allow you to load up the LC, then it would actually be a really tidy little touring wagon. On the Gren, you have to add your own secondary electrical system, and that takes time and money and weight, so if the LC is nipping at it's heels WITH the functional addition of a "Dual battery system" via given the user access to that power reserve when in camp...colour me interested. Especially at $60k.
Edit: My Sunday coffee hadn't kicked in yet and my first blush at the math was wrong. Here's apples to apples comparison:
Formula: Amp Hours = (KWh x 1000) / Volts
Typically Setup - Deep Cycle
110 Amp Hours (55 Useable) = (KWh x 1000) / 12
55 x 12 = KWh x 1000
660 / 1000 = KWh
0.66Kwh
Typical Setup Lithium
110 Amp Hours (110 Useable) = (KWh x 1000) / 12
110 x 12 = KWh x 1000
1.32 KWh
Toyota's Built-In Battery
?? Amp Hours = (1.87 KWh x 1000) / 12
155.83 Amp Hours
So - even if Toyota's battery is more akin to a deep cycle (only 50% usable power), that would still give a person 75 Amp Hours. That's more than a typical deep cycle setup, and is plenty for a fridge for a few days. If it was supplemented by a solar cell, it could be enough to add a few other electric-powered accessories like an induction cooker. If - and that's a big IF - they make it accessible to the end user.
And good luck dealing with Toyota warranty claims!!!
