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Grenadier vs 2024 Land Cruiser

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Just do not see how the New Four Runner can be made to directly compete with the Land Cruiser now that its a bit more rugged and better priced. But then again I never imagined Toyota would make the move they did with the LC.
 

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When I saw in person the new GX I was sorely disappointed in the gauge of the sheet metal they used. I kid you not, a soda can has got to be twice the thickness!! I seriously can see driving down the highway that bugs will leave small dents in the bodywork. Any of you considering the GX do yourself a favor and check for yourself and ask if that is a trait you’d be comfortable with
 
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I sat in one and noticed the same thing, compared to the Gren and my landy it seemed a little tin can-ish. I was wondering if it was because it was pre-production, but I doubt it. Beyond that, I kinda liked the size and the interior layout. The only other thing that I noticed was why oh why would they sculpt-in a pointy ridge right where your elbow and forearm would naturally lay on the window sill. It makes something that could be so right, feel so wrong.
 
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Just do not see how the New Four Runner can be made to directly compete with the Land Cruiser now that its a bit more rugged and better priced. But then again I never imagined Toyota would make the move they did with the LC.
The 4Runner - to me - seemed to be the more economically priced choice if you want Toyota and off-road. The 4Runner had excellent ground clearance and it was not as high as the 200 LC - which meant the cabin lacked height (compared to a LC). The new LC seems overall a less powerful beast, but if it retains more internal space for passengers - as headroom - that's one way for the new LC to differentiate itself. One of the "luxury" features IMO to a RR and New Defender is the wonderful vertical room in the cabin.
 

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When I saw in person the new GX I was sorely disappointed in the gauge of the sheet metal they used. I kid you not, a soda can has got to be twice the thickness!! I seriously can see driving down the highway that bugs will leave small dents in the bodywork. Any of you considering the GX do yourself a favor and check for yourself and ask if that is a trait you’d be comfortable with
The ones over here now are all prototypes so will need to see what the real model looks like
 

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I saw the new GX in person at the Philly Auto Show a few weeks back and meh. Obviously the Lexus grill leaves a lot to be desired, but the profile and rear views are nice. The interior was petty plush and had lots of bells and whistles. Outward view wasn't bad and the seats were comfy but just not my cup of tea.

The new Tacoma, on the other hand, is a great looking truck! They were not open and the windows blacked out so no clue how the view and materials are, but it's an attractive machine. If the next gen 4Runner follows with similar looks it'll be a head turner. But, and this has been pointed out many times around here, I have no clue where Toyota will price and place it into their lineup. The new LC throws a monkey wrench into that hierarchy.
 

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The new LC throws a monkey wrench into that hierarchy.
Yes. Take a tried and true platform, cut costs (and ultimately quality, since it no longer has a 25 year lifespan), and cash in on overland-esque marketing.

I really liked the older LC platform.
 
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In this part of the world, the Grenadier competes with the venerable 40-year old design Land Cruiser 70 for a spot as a Overlander type of vehicle!
Especially in the Quartermaster guise.
Freshly updated with a 150kW (frugal) diesel engine and auto box and substantially cheaper (by circa 70%) than the Quartermaster, it offers a long history of toughness and durability.
Also to be had with a 170 kW V6 petrol (gas) engine and a V8 diesel.
This truck sports no ADAS (thank goodness) and has a no-nonsense approach to getting the job done of taking you into the sticks and bringing you back!
Unparalleled reliability!



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In this part of the world, the Grenadier competes with the venerable 40-year old design Land Cruiser 70 for a spot as a Overlander type of vehicle!
Especially in the Quartermaster guise.
Freshly updated with a 150kW (frugal) diesel engine and auto box and substantially cheaper (by circa 70%) than the Quartermaster, it offers a long history of toughness and durability.
Also to be had with a 170 kW V6 petrol (gas) engine and a V8 diesel.
This truck sports no ADAS (thank goodness) and has a no-nonsense approach to getting the job done of taking you into the sticks and bringing you back!
Unparalleled reliability!



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That’s a beauty
 
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Furthermore, we also get the LC300.
The evolution of many decades has set it's path in terms of design and is now quite different from the boxier Grenadier shape.
One can however argue that it has a place in the style rankings and as a contender in the class, it has quite a few things going for it!
It is a very fine comfortable and nippy daily driver. 227kW in the diesel version and 305kW in petrol (gas) is plenty of power to get up and go!
A phenomenal off-roader with a serious lineage of robust durability and reliability that can hardly be matched.
On top of that, the entry model (locally) is also significantly cheaper than the comparative Grenadier.

The new LC250/Prado will IMO not be in the same league as the Ineos.

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It works offroad as a Overlander

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You can pack stuff and sh!t in it 🍺🥩🍖🍔🍺

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It's bl@@dy sexy!
 
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In this part of the world, the Grenadier competes with the venerable 40-year old design Land Cruiser 70 for a spot as a Overlander type of vehicle!
Especially in the Quartermaster guise.
Freshly updated with a 150kW (frugal) diesel engine and auto box and substantially cheaper (by circa 70%) than the Quartermaster, it offers a long history of toughness and durability.
Also to be had with a 170 kW V6 petrol (gas) engine and a V8 diesel.
This truck sports no ADAS (thank goodness) and has a no-nonsense approach to getting the job done of taking you into the sticks and bringing you back!
Unparalleled reliability!



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How's the rear seat leg room? The rear door looks mighty small.
 

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In this part of the world, the Grenadier competes with the venerable 40-year old design Land Cruiser 70 for a spot as a Overlander type of vehicle!
Especially in the Quartermaster guise.
Freshly updated with a 150kW (frugal) diesel engine and auto box and substantially cheaper (by circa 70%) than the Quartermaster, it offers a long history of toughness and durability.
Also to be had with a 170 kW V6 petrol (gas) engine and a V8 diesel.
This truck sports no ADAS (thank goodness) and has a no-nonsense approach to getting the job done of taking you into the sticks and bringing you back!
Unparalleled reliability!



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If this was sold in the US (even at Grenadier price), I wouldn't have a Grenadier.
 
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If this was sold in the US (even at Grenadier price), I wouldn't have a Grenadier.

I hear you. But to be fair, Ineos has replicated a lot of the stout attributes of the Landcruiser 70, but delivered it in a package that is quieter, more comfortable, and better riding. Its unfortunate that (1) they are subject to more safety regulations in the EU and US than are current in Australia, and (2) IMHO, they lost their way a bit in their effort to blend the modern with the old, embracing a little too much of the shiny. But let's face it, the only other manufacturer selling a mid-size 4x4 in the U.S. with the stones to keep making a vehicle with solid front axles and recirculating ball steering, is Jeep. All the other manufacturers of utility 4x4s - Toyota (Landcruiser), Mercedes (G-class), and Land Rover (Defender) have quit, and turned their iconic vehicles into SUVs. These SUVs are pretty good vehicles, but they are never going to provide the same strength and durability of a solid axle vehicle.
 

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In this part of the world, the Grenadier competes with the venerable 40-year old design Land Cruiser 70 for a spot as a Overlander type of vehicle!
Especially in the Quartermaster guise.
Freshly updated with a 150kW (frugal) diesel engine and auto box and substantially cheaper (by circa 70%) than the Quartermaster, it offers a long history of toughness and durability.
Also to be had with a 170 kW V6 petrol (gas) engine and a V8 diesel.
This truck sports no ADAS (thank goodness) and has a no-nonsense approach to getting the job done of taking you into the sticks and bringing you back!
Unparalleled reliability!



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Wish Toyota would have brought those to the USA!
 
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I think a lot of folk will choose between the Land Cruiser 250 and the Grenadier using their heart, and not their head, and there is nothing wrong with that. Life is short – buy the vehicle you want!

But if one were to ignore the heart (how the vehicle looks to you, how it makes you feel), and focus on the head (the practical use of the vehicle), then how one decides between them should probably be based on (1) how one intends to use the vehicle, and (2) how one values reliability.

While there are obvious similarities between the two vehicles (both are four-door wagons with good 4-wheel drive systems), there are some significant differences that impact the driver-experience:

LC 250: independent front suspension, rack-and-pinion steering, electronic actuator for locking center diff and low range.

Grenadier: solid front axle, recirculating ball steering, kingpin knuckles, manual shifter for locking center diff and low range.

The case for the LC 250: If you drive primarily on-road, and you want 4-wheel drive to get through bad weather, and your off-roading is not super-frequent, or is mostly on forest service roads or the like, the LC might make more sense. Based on the vehicle specs (curb weight, engine output), the LC is likely a quicker vehicle. With independent front suspension, and rack-and-pinion steering, it will track well on the highway and corner more like a car than a truck; it will also have a much smaller turning radius than the Grenadier. If you buy a LC you have access to an enormous network of Toyota dealers for service, and you have Toyota reliability. Even though the LC 250 is a new vehicle, I would wager that it will be more reliable than the Grenadier. Anecdotal evidence is not the same as big data, but what the hell... We currently own three Toyota 4x4s, all purchased new: (1) a 2019 4-Runner, that has never needed service of any kind (other than regular maintenance), (2) a 2017 Tacoma, which has also never needed service of any kind (other than regular maintenance), and (3) a 1997 Tacoma, that has needed shockingly little service; in addition to basic wear items, I have replaced the alternator twice, and the steering rack twice. The 2019 and 2017 have never failed to start, have never experienced any form of limp mode, have never thrown a code, have never experienced a screen-failure, have never leaked water into the cabin, have no leaks from the drive train, have never had a door handle stick, have never failed to shift into 4-high or 4-low, and the rear lockers engage and disengage without drama.

The case for the Grenadier: If you drive off-road a lot, if the trails you drive demand wheel articulation or are otherwise pretty rough, if you regularly carry heavy payload or tow, if you want to tow an off-road trailer, the Grenadier might make more sense. Ineos made some important decisions to prioritize durability over on-road performance; these include the choice to go with a solid front axle, recirculating ball steering, and kingpin knuckles. These components will hold up to hard off-road use, and are more comfortable for the driver when off-road, but result in slower steering on-road, and a wider turning radius.

Maybe the crux of the comparison is the important distinction between durability and reliability. Durability refers to strength and longevity of components; reliability refers to whether or not the vehicle’s components actually function every day as intended. The Grenadier is built to be more durable than the LC 250, but we do not yet know if the Grenadier will be reliable.

For example, we tore a CV boot in the 2019 4-Runner while driving off-road on a moderate rocky trail; that would not have happened in the Grenadier because the Grenadier has a much more durable front-end design. On the other hand, all our Toyotas have been incredibly reliable.
 
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In this part of the world, the Grenadier competes with the venerable 40-year old design Land Cruiser 70 for a spot as a Overlander type of vehicle!
Especially in the Quartermaster guise.
Freshly updated with a 150kW (frugal) diesel engine and auto box and substantially cheaper (by circa 70%) than the Quartermaster, it offers a long history of toughness and durability.
Also to be had with a 170 kW V6 petrol (gas) engine and a V8 diesel.
This truck sports no ADAS (thank goodness) and has a no-nonsense approach to getting the job done of taking you into the sticks and bringing you back!
Unparalleled reliability!



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Wish we could buy those in the US - maybe you can fax one to me!
 

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In this part of the world, the Grenadier competes with the venerable 40-year old design Land Cruiser 70 for a spot as a Overlander type of vehicle!
Especially in the Quartermaster guise.
Freshly updated with a 150kW (frugal) diesel engine and auto box and substantially cheaper (by circa 70%) than the Quartermaster, it offers a long
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It is only 70% cheaper if you do not include the new canopy, new rims all round, a suspension upgrade and what looks like a new exhaust on that vehicle.

Plus the 70 series have no sound deadening, no bonnet gas struts (the bonnet is much heavier than the Grenadier), different width axles on the front and rear. They also have notoriously weak diffs, front and rear. My mate spent 25 years with Toyota spares told me to stay away, choose the Hilux before the 70 series.

In Australia to get a 70 series to a state I could tour in was more expensive than the Grenadier and the Grenadier was more modern, better built and a better all round car. Downside the Grenadier has not proven itself in the field over many years.
 
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