Me too. It’s a slap in the face to all the current owners. They can’t fix software, can’t fix leaks, can’t talk to us. But they can develop an in house customization department.I wish they would fix issues with existing base instead of spending this time and energy on limited editions
Me Too.I'm sure we are all curious. Just registered for more details.
Yes. This. IMO, INEOS needs to first clear its backlog of old promises (e.g. the ability to self-service and reset reminders and the availability of drawings and service documents) and maybe address some simple things like ADAS that is minor but distracting enough to enter most conversations on and offline that I've seen.Me too. It’s a slap in the face to all the current owners. They can’t fix software, can’t fix leaks, can’t talk to us. But they can develop an in house customization department.
The ability to reset a service indicator light after an oil change on a vehicle touted as having a full service manual available to all owners, for a start. I suspect they'll feature-gate a lot of the 'new' improvements in these bespoke versions a year prior to wider release. I'm just wildly guessing at this point, and there's no more value in my opinion of the money play here than anyone else's, but the wording just seems to indicate these "Arcane works" editions are where all the "new" will exist until it trickles down, even if the "new" is just basic functionality on most other vehicles on the road. They know they have a somewhat captive market and they're capitalizing monetarily on it.What kind of things are you thinking about?
As we all know the original goal of the Grenadier program was to bring to market what Sir Ratcliffe thought LR should’ve done in the evolution of the Defender.The ability to reset a service indicator light after an oil change on a vehicle touted as having a full service manual available to all owners, for a start. I suspect they'll feature-gate a lot of the 'new' improvements in these bespoke versions a year prior to wider release. I'm just wildly guessing at this point, and there's no more value in my opinion of the money play here than anyone else's, but the wording just seems to indicate these "Arcane works" editions are where all the "new" will exist until it trickles down, even if the "new" is just basic functionality on most other vehicles on the road. They know they have a somewhat captive market and they're capitalizing monetarily on it.
I understand it from a business perspective, but where it really galls me (and I see others, as well), there are significant issues with the base model functionality right now. This feels like a slap in the face for every owner of a Grenadier who would love for their hands free call quality to be "acceptable", let alone good, for example. The service indicator light, the ADAS issues, the glare-ridden display, the slow responsiveness on said unit. Mechanical improvements like swaybar disconnects, more underbody armor, water intrusion correction, footwell space correction for RHD, etc - I suspect those will all fall into the "Arcane" realm before they hit the rest of the population who took a huge gamble on a brand new company, based on their promises.
There's no way they can argue the resources invested into this somehow benefit the general owner, when they haven't sorted out the fundamental issues plaguing owners that exist today, to whom they've made multiple promises they have yet to deliver on.
BMW won’t share the S58 this early on.Dropping in the BMW S58 performance engine and accompanying transmission would be expected with a bespoke model.
I would guess they’re looking at a US$130k-160k price range for this literal “arcane” “peerless” faucet model. It’d be a shame if water seeps/leaks destroy the fields of sumptuous glove leather in it though.
I invite their move into this space and customization as it means they are placing even more poker chips into the game for the win.Factory customization from Ineos, called Arcane Works:
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/ineos-teases-special-new-breed-of-off-roaders
That is also my assumption. I have registered and will find out more.My belief is that it's less amg type of tuning and more like jlr autobiography type of customization.
We all engaged in a game of projection. We assumed what he missed is what we missed.As we all know the original goal of the Grenadier program was to bring to market what Sir Ratcliffe thought LR should’ve done in the evolution of the Defender.