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For more power, which the engine and gearbox can handle, a new transfer box might be needed.

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I wish they would fix issues with existing base instead of spending this time and energy on limited editions
Me too. It’s a slap in the face to all the current owners. They can’t fix software, can’t fix leaks, can’t talk to us. But they can develop an in house customization department.
 

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Me too. It’s a slap in the face to all the current owners. They can’t fix software, can’t fix leaks, can’t talk to us. But they can develop an in house customization department.
Yes. This. IMO, INEOS needs to first clear its backlog of old promises (e.g. the ability to self-service and reset reminders and the availability of drawings and service documents) and maybe address some simple things like ADAS that is minor but distracting enough to enter most conversations on and offline that I've seen.

IA should get its 2023 & 2024 house in order before starting shiny new projects. Sure, IA has the backing of huge bankroll so you'd think they could juggle multiple things. But it's not playing out that way so far. Focus on what is being delivered *now*, please.
 

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Dropping in the BMW S58 performance engine and accompanying transmission would be expected with a bespoke model.

I would guess they’re looking at a US$130k-160k price range for this literal “arcane” “peerless” faucet model. It’d be a shame if water seeps/leaks destroy the fields of sumptuous glove leather in it though.
 
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What kind of things are you thinking about?
The ability to reset a service indicator light after an oil change on a vehicle touted as having a full service manual available to all owners, for a start. I suspect they'll feature-gate a lot of the 'new' improvements in these bespoke versions a year prior to wider release. I'm just wildly guessing at this point, and there's no more value in my opinion of the money play here than anyone else's, but the wording just seems to indicate these "Arcane works" editions are where all the "new" will exist until it trickles down, even if the "new" is just basic functionality on most other vehicles on the road. They know they have a somewhat captive market and they're capitalizing monetarily on it.

I understand it from a business perspective, but where it really galls me (and I see others, as well), there are significant issues with the base model functionality right now. This feels like a slap in the face for every owner of a Grenadier who would love for their hands free call quality to be "acceptable", let alone good, for example. The service indicator light, the ADAS issues, the glare-ridden display, the slow responsiveness on said unit. Mechanical improvements like swaybar disconnects, more underbody armor, water intrusion correction, footwell space correction for RHD, etc - I suspect those will all fall into the "Arcane" realm before they hit the rest of the population who took a huge gamble on a brand new company, based on their promises.

There's no way they can argue the resources invested into this somehow benefit the general owner, when they haven't sorted out the fundamental issues plaguing owners that exist today, to whom they've made multiple promises they have yet to deliver on.
 

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The ability to reset a service indicator light after an oil change on a vehicle touted as having a full service manual available to all owners, for a start. I suspect they'll feature-gate a lot of the 'new' improvements in these bespoke versions a year prior to wider release. I'm just wildly guessing at this point, and there's no more value in my opinion of the money play here than anyone else's, but the wording just seems to indicate these "Arcane works" editions are where all the "new" will exist until it trickles down, even if the "new" is just basic functionality on most other vehicles on the road. They know they have a somewhat captive market and they're capitalizing monetarily on it.

I understand it from a business perspective, but where it really galls me (and I see others, as well), there are significant issues with the base model functionality right now. This feels like a slap in the face for every owner of a Grenadier who would love for their hands free call quality to be "acceptable", let alone good, for example. The service indicator light, the ADAS issues, the glare-ridden display, the slow responsiveness on said unit. Mechanical improvements like swaybar disconnects, more underbody armor, water intrusion correction, footwell space correction for RHD, etc - I suspect those will all fall into the "Arcane" realm before they hit the rest of the population who took a huge gamble on a brand new company, based on their promises.

There's no way they can argue the resources invested into this somehow benefit the general owner, when they haven't sorted out the fundamental issues plaguing owners that exist today, to whom they've made multiple promises they have yet to deliver on.
As we all know the original goal of the Grenadier program was to bring to market what Sir Ratcliffe thought LR should’ve done in the evolution of the Defender.

What we all didn’t realize was that Sir Ratcliffe appears to have meant that literally, which apparently includes the LR warts and all :/
 

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Dropping in the BMW S58 performance engine and accompanying transmission would be expected with a bespoke model.

I would guess they’re looking at a US$130k-160k price range for this literal “arcane” “peerless” faucet model. It’d be a shame if water seeps/leaks destroy the fields of sumptuous glove leather in it though.
BMW won’t share the S58 this early on.
 

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I invite their move into this space and customization as it means they are placing even more poker chips into the game for the win.
It means stability and longevity going forward which is great for all of us for continued support and parts. It also means that all of
us first adopters have something that is truly special, as they are all First Editions. It's a journey that we are all taking along with
Sir Jim Ratcliffe and I for one and many am glad we are all on board. Enjoy the Journey! DaBull
 

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If you think about different LHD/RHD versions of the back door or a re-rerouted exhaust to get rid of the footwell on the driver side: dream on.

I think this INEOS effort is what AMG is for Mercedes, ABT for Audi and "BMW M GmbH" is for BMW.

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They will offer a wider choice of carpets and colors, some chrome applications here and there, may be some ebony panels inside, chassis variations in terms of hardness/softness, maybe some interior upgrades (shifting lever, steering wheel, audio system etc), a bit of chip tuning (as far as the mechanics can handle it) and all of which will at first place be: expensive.

If you think ABT or M or AMG is "bespoke", you might call it that with INEOS too.

If that's how it turns out, I would call it souped up at best.


But that's just me, and I might be wrong ...
 
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While it sounds special, it is relatively normal practice to simplify the production line by having a secondary facility to add the extra toys.
It's all about getting those cars down the line as quickly and cost effectively as possible.
 

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My belief is that it's less amg type of tuning and more like jlr autobiography type of customization.
That is also my assumption. I have registered and will find out more.
 
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As we all know the original goal of the Grenadier program was to bring to market what Sir Ratcliffe thought LR should’ve done in the evolution of the Defender.
We all engaged in a game of projection. We assumed what he missed is what we missed.

Hey, the original napkin called for a UK design and UK manufacture. When the realities of his idiotic brexit became apparent, he just said "oops" and up and left for greener pastures. I think that was the moment the real him was on display. He'll talk a good game but will always and only do whats best for himself. He's DT with an IQ. And right now, he's established people will pay luxury prices for subaru fit, finish, and quality, so the money is in rounding out the product line with REAL seats, and REAL trim, and REAL modern features with special editions for an extra 40g, and most certainly not in making working usable farm implements. It'll be AMG money for the good stuff from here on in.

I know when I've been ghosted.
 
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