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Why on the tow mounting plate are the winch controls shown? Is this not the internal winch control?
This was the basis of my previous question about being able to run both, but its probably just a photoshop issue.Why on the tow mounting plate are the winch controls shown? Is this not the internal winch control?
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Yes. Very strange.Why on the tow mounting plate are the winch controls shown? Is this not the internal winch control?
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Hi COT's. I am still considering whether to go with a winch - so thanks for your interesting summary. I am currently in your option 2. However, I could venture into option 3 in a few years but maybe not.Whether a winch is worth it or not depends on the type of driving a person does.
1) Highway/around town/never leaving marked, maintained roads (even dirt roads are marked and maintained in much of North America) - you'll never need it. Maybe, during recovery from emergency events like big storms, you'll use it to help others or tidy up a tree or something. Super rare and probably not worth it.
2) Weekends Off-Road/Technical Trail Running - These are known trails or routes that are run by 4x4s on a regular basis. They often have difficulty ratings, maps, and named obstacles. Some are even in pay-to-access parks, though many (like those in MOAB) are open to the public. In these environments, a winch is certainly handy, but you've got other options, like a hi-lift, a come-along, another truck in the convoy, or the device others have posted to get through the tricky bits, which are only as frequent as the difficulty of trail you chose. You also have the option of knowing if a trail is likely to require winching or not, and simply choosing a bypass or a different trail that does not require winching. Basically, you have a lot of agency in your final situation, if this is the kind of 4x4 driving you like to do, so a winch becomes much more of a "nice to have" feature if it opens you up to more trails and experiences, but isn't necessarily required and other types of recovery equipment will do.
3) Overland travel - this means there is at least some degree of going to unknown routes, typically quite remote, where other travelers are not common. In this situation, your ability to make forward progress can be non-existent without a winch; storms can wash out a road and that washout goes undiscovered for months. An early start to a rainy season can mean miles of mud tracks in every direction that you can barely drive on. And, the nature of the routes mean turning back might not be a viable option due to limited services/fuel. I don't consider a come-along or hi-lift to be a reasonable alternative in this situation, but that's mainly because of the relative efficiency of them; I've been in situations where we've needed to get winch assistance over a distance of several kilometers of mud up a very steep mountain trail. This is possible to do with a manual winching option, but really unpleasant and a huge time sink, and comes with a high risk of injury; not only is it more sets/resets of your equipment, but it's also the need to do all that hard work that we may not be accustomed to -- we're all way more likely to give ourselves a heart attack with a manual winch than we are to dance with the devil via a wayward shackle or cable (and I say that because it is easy to mitigate against a wayward shackle. Heart Attacks will sneak up on us -- we're not as young as we used to be!).
So my thoughts for the OP -- if you are in category 1, forget it, not worth it. If you are in category 2, it's probably easier to get it from the factory and have those options than it is to add it later. If you are in Option 3, I think it would be an error not to spec the winch.
All that being said, whatever recovery equipment you go for, spend some time with experts to really know how it all works -- winches, hi lifts, exhaust jacks, and more all have risks if used improperly, and improper use is super common socially. A well known YouTube tow-truck driver regularly uses his ball for recovery; he has a reason why he thinks thats OK from what I've seen. Even on the Grand Tour's latest special, there's a scene with a dicey recovery on a tow ball rather than a rated recovery point. So -- recovery gear is like a gun. It's reasonable to say "better to have it and not need it, than it is to need it and not have it" and I agree with that. But without proper knowledge, care in it's use, and effective storage, this stuff becomes more dangerous for you and those around you than it is helpful.
I wouldn't drive with the winch attached on the road, I doubt it would be legal and it would be very expensive in a minor crash.Hi COT's. I am still considering whether to go with a winch - so thanks for your interesting summary. I am currently in your option 2. However, I could venture into option 3 in a few years but maybe not.
So - what to do??
Therefore, maybe the Removable Winch with the towing mounting kit is a better option than the Integrated Winch or no Winch.
Benefits:
1. Don't need to be carrying around approx 40KG of winch for the 95% of the time I will be driving the G under your option 1 & 2 scenarios.
2. Can use the winch at the front or the rear of the car
3. Cheaper to purchase as an option
4. Easier to upgrade to an alternative winch in needed in the future
Disadvantages:
1. Rated 3.5 tonne (rather than 5.5.tonne)
2. Doesn't look as good as the Integrated Winch set-up
3. Front suspension not adjusted as is for the Integrated Winch - so marginal decrease in driving characteristics (I assume that the car is driven with the Removable Winch attached to the front or rear rather than transported in the rear cabin)?
What other issues/factors have I missed in this assessment.
Why isn't the removable Winch the more popular than the integrated winch?
So Dave- you are going the removable winch route - because you don't need it 90% of the time?I wouldn't drive with the winch attached on the road, I doubt it would be legal and it would be very expensive in a minor crash.
It also covers the number plate.
Someone said Ineos were coming up with an attachment to mount it to the utility rail in the back.
I will leave it at home in the shed 90% of the time.
Hi COT's. I am still considering whether to go with a winch - so thanks for your interesting summary. I am currently in your option 2. However, I could venture into option 3 in a few years but maybe not.
So - what to do??
Therefore, maybe the Removable Winch with the towing mounting kit is a better option than the Integrated Winch or no Winch.
Benefits:
1. Don't need to be carrying around approx 40KG of winch for the 95% of the time I will be driving the G under your option 1 & 2 scenarios.
2. Can use the winch at the front or the rear of the car
3. Cheaper to purchase as an option
4. Easier to upgrade to an alternative winch in needed in the future
Disadvantages:
1. Rated 3.5 tonne (rather than 5.5.tonne)
2. Doesn't look as good as the Integrated Winch set-up
3. Front suspension not adjusted as is for the Integrated Winch - so marginal decrease in driving characteristics (I assume that the car is driven with the Removable Winch attached to the front or rear rather than transported in the rear cabin)?
What other issues/factors have I missed in this assessment.
Why isn't the removable Winch the more popular than the integrated winch?
My thoughts exactly. Front towing mounting plate and removable winch, (purchased later) allows winch to be only carried on trips where it might be needed and not lugged around for easy trips (95%), and front and rear mounting options , block pulley doubles the capacity .I have optioned the tow mounting kit for the front so I can add the removable winch if I want to.
It also allows me to attach a caravan, trailer or boat to the front when moving them around in tight spaces.
This also looks like it allows me to tow from the rear or the front.
3.5 tonne capacity is a bit of a limit but correct winching techniques can solve this.
Also allows me to leave it at home 90% of the time and only take it when going off road
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Did you have time to slip into a phone booth to change your clothes?Excellent posts @ChasingOurTrunks.
I guess for me it's also the convenience of deployment when needed. I can imagine me being in the muck, or cold, or pouring rain, then having to unload and mount up the portable.
If it's already hanging off the front, ok, may be no different. But in truth I haven't seen many vehicles driving around like that. Could be the loss of approach angle, could be the risk of theft back in town, IDK.
The portable sounds like a good, occasional use idea - and I haven't ruled it out for our order but...
It's nice to always have the winch with an integrated system. You never know when you might need it and sometime time is of the essence.
Once, we were on an easy gravel mountain road that quickly turned very icy. Like sheet ice. I got out to scout ahead and as I shuffled past the front bumper I realized the truck was slowly sliding backwards !
Because it was so handy, I was able to quickly unlocked the winch lever, grab the hook and secured the line to an adjacent tree, skate back to the winch and locked the lever. That stopped the slide, thankfully.
Why is it more sets of your equipment with a manual winch?This is possible to do with a manual winching option, but really unpleasant and a huge time sink, and comes with a high risk of injury; not only is it more sets/resets of your equipment, but it's also the need to do all that hard work that we may not be accustomed to -- we're all way more likely to give ourselves a heart attack with a manual winch than we are to dance with the devil via a wayward shackle or cable (and I say that because it is easy to mitigate against a wayward shackle. Heart Attacks will sneak up on us -- we're not as young as we used to be!).
I wonder if you could make up an extension for the cable enabling it to be temporarily mounted on the tow hitch of a nearby vehicle 5 or 10 metres away???
My wife doesn't even like getting out of phone rangeWe tend to travel alone. Hence the ability to winch from the rear of the vehicle is quite useful.
Swings and roundabouts , this winch stuff. Some people go looking for trouble and thus an inbuilt winch is mandatory.
Some people get off on being the guy who rescues everybody else.
I can tell you my wife is not impressed by getting bogged, nor the prospect of needing recovery. It's up there with her aversion to breaking a leg somewhere out of phone range.
So Tazzie-We tend to travel alone. Hence the ability to winch from the rear of the vehicle is quite useful.
Swings and roundabouts , this winch stuff. Some people go looking for trouble and thus an inbuilt winch is mandatory.
Some people get off on being the guy who rescues everybody else.
I can tell you my wife is not impressed by getting bogged, nor the prospect of needing recovery. It's up there with her aversion to breaking a leg somewhere out of phone range.
At this stage , removable. I can still easily lift 40kg without pain.So Tazzie-
Is that integrated or removable then?
There wouldn't need to be a choice if there was an option like the Foers Vector winch and you could pull in either direction...So Tazzie-
Is that integrated or removable then?