Winch or not ?

[DCPU]

Well that certainly takes the effort out of setting ground anchor pins:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/5685039844893200?s=yWDuG2&fs=e

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

As a non-Facebooker, can you explain a bit further DCPU? I cannot access that video.

 

[DCPU]

It was just a post knocker powered by what looked like a small petrol engine:

 

[DaveB]

It was just a post knocker powered by what looked like a small petrol engine:

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He is trying to locate the water main.

 

[Tazzieman]

Using that tool with that posture is IMO more likely to cause a back problem than the fine time honoured tool called a sledgehammer

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

It was just a post knocker powered by what looked like a small petrol engine:

View attachment 7795422

Thanks DCEU - Great tool by the looks of it!

 

[DCPU]

So here's a full fat version of the Red winch mounted on an Iveco ~ squint hard enough and there's maybe some hope that it might fit in a similar manner on a Grenadier, if you take the centre part out of the bumper...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0bmpvkcJx1EBJN381tMpD43VA9z1eSSTsVGuhDsxBEnBodsods46ayKAcgXo3eaJhl&id=200455973353244&sfnsn=scwspmo

 

[Logsplitter]

Not ideal CV8 but I reckon the aftermarket will come up with something more practical and hardy. We don't want the front falling off everytime!

Couldn’t you just fix the number plate to the front grill and leave the cover off. I can’t see any forester or power linesman who’s going to be using the winch multiple times daily, taking that cover on and off and putting the number plate away each time.

 

[bemax]

Couldn’t you just fix the number plate to the front grill and leave the cover off. I can’t see any forester or power linesman who’s going to be using the winch multiple times daily, taking that cover on and off and putting the number plate away each time.

I thought so to. Probably the car is not road legal without the cover?

 

[CountyV8]

Couldn’t you just fix the number plate to the front grill and leave the cover off. I can’t see any forester or power linesman who’s going to be using the winch multiple times daily, taking that cover on and off and putting the number plate away each time.

Can't agree with you more

 

[Davman]

I know this has been discussed a little, and on other threads, but here goes.

If you buy the front towing mount plate, with the idea that this will allow to use the portable rear winch on the front or the rear - how practical will it be having only a 3500kg winch? (Sure you can buy a different stronger winch, but weight starts to become an issue)
From the perspective of having a winch that you only have to carry with you when you are off roading, it sounds great. But will a 3500kg winch be enough in the majority of cases where you need one - assuming that you can use your pulley when needed and carry extra straps.

Is using a 3500kg winch a viable alternative for front winching.

 

[Greg]

I have been looking at the front towing plate as it may make it easier to mount a fixed winch.
It has the flip number plate, pre wiring, and what appears to be the centre bumper section the same as the fixed winch.

 

[DaveB]

I know this has been discussed a little, and on other threads, but here goes.

If you buy the front towing mount plate, with the idea that this will allow to use the portable rear winch on the front or the rear - how practical will it be having only a 3500kg winch? (Sure you can buy a different stronger winch, but weight starts to become an issue)
From the perspective of having a winch that you only have to carry with you when you are off roading, it sounds great. But will a 3500kg winch be enough in the majority of cases where you need one - assuming that you can use your pulley when needed and carry extra straps.

Is using a 3500kg winch a viable alternative for front winching.

3500kg is not enough and in many cases a 5500kg winch is not enough
Then you have to use snatch blocks, ropes etc
Sometimes the winch is just enough to help the vehicle drive out.

 

[globalgregors]

I know this has been discussed a little, and on other threads, but here goes.

If you buy the front towing mount plate, with the idea that this will allow to use the portable rear winch on the front or the rear - how practical will it be having only a 3500kg winch? (Sure you can buy a different stronger winch, but weight starts to become an issue)
From the perspective of having a winch that you only have to carry with you when you are off roading, it sounds great. But will a 3500kg winch be enough in the majority of cases where you need one - assuming that you can use your pulley when needed and carry extra straps.

Is using a 3500kg winch a viable alternative for front winching.

You could consider carrying a second snatch block/winch ring (the latter maybe a better choice if weight is an issue) so that you can reduce the load with a triple line pull. This has the effect of reducing the length of pull and to compensate you may want to carry additional static line and a longer winch extension strap (see Spanish Burton).

It’s helpful to understand the math a bit as you need to know where the load is distributed across the rigging and use appropriate fittings/mitigate risks accordingly.

Key concern whenever winching is to reduce the load. On this aspect, shovel, hi-lift/exhaust jack and recovery boards play a key role - so one way to answer your question is to note you should make sure you’ve done everything to clear the vehicle/reduce the load before even spooling out the winch.

This is good practice anyway, but there is almost always more that one can do.

 

[emax]

The idea is ok, but in practice you have to put the winch somewhere and most of the time it is in the way.

You can either put it in the front or in the back outside, where imho it sticks out too much. In the car you have to attach it somehow, otherwise it would be a dangerous well 30 Kg heavy projectile in an accident. But if it is attached, packing the car becomes difficult and has significant limitations.

For a weekend trip it may not be a problem, but for a longer overlanding trip it is imho not an alternative.

 

[DaveB]

The idea is ok, but in practice you have to put the winch somewhere and most of the time it is in the way.

You can either put it in the front or in the back outside, where imho it sticks out too much. In the car you have to attach it somehow, otherwise it would be a dangerous well 30 Kg heavy projectile in an accident. But if it is attached, packing the car becomes difficult and has significant limitations.

For a weekend trip it may not be a problem, but for a longer overlanding trip it is imho not an alternative.

If I was going long term i would certainly get the winch fitted.
I doubt i will even get the portable winch

 

[DCPU]

But will a 3500kg winch be enough in the majority of cases where you need one - assuming that you can use your pulley when needed and carry extra straps.

Is using a 3500kg winch a viable alternative for front winching.

To a large extent it depends upon what are your "majority of cases".

I have a Warn M8000 which is not that far off the 3,500kg you are talking about, and it has done absolutely fine in some pretty hard conditions.

Also consider that an 8,000lb winch was plenty fine for these guys on more than one trip, and those vehicles were loaded to the gunnels and not exactly travelling on well maintained tracks:

In some instances, the portable winch will be a better choice ~ when you want to recover back in the direction you came.

 

[grenadierboy]

 

[DCPU]

Is that your flip up number plate mod?

 

[Krabby]

To a large extent it depends upon what are your "majority of cases".

I have a Warn M8000 which is not that far off the 3,500kg you are talking about, and it has done absolutely fine in some pretty hard conditions.

Also consider that an 8,000lb winch was plenty fine for these guys on more than one trip, and those vehicles were loaded to the gunnels and not exactly travelling on well maintained tracks:
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In some instances, the portable winch will be a better choice ~ when you want to recover back in the direction you came.

Unrelated to the thread title, but how awesome would a Grenadier Trophy event be if run in the spirit of the true Camel Trophy. I don’t want to watch people canoe or race bicycles-I want mud and rock and all that nature can offer!