Where's the confidence level in the company?

[Dual Grenny Guy]

The driver's side door jamb sticker has the build month/year: View attachment 7873602

I be damned if I don’t see that almost every dang day and never knew this!!!

Thanks!!!

 

[Michael_in_Baja]

The average transaction price in the US in October was 48.5. I was 93.5. That's nominally double. A base lx600 is 92.5. I'm calling it expensive Mr. Moneybags.

I have built and rebuilt dozens of cars and trucks in my life, mostly because I could not rationalize buying the latest and greatest of whatever it was I wanted only to have to throw another $$,$$$ at it to make it do what I wanted or needed it to do.

When I looked at the Grenadier there was literally nothing I thought I wanted or needed, that it did not have, and it does not have many things "modern" vehicles today come with I do not want. In the end I ask mysef, "what could I build it for" my conclusion with the Grenadier was that I could not build it for what I paid for it. For these reasons this vehicle was an exceptional value in my eyes.

 

[Dual Grenny Guy]

I have built and rebuilt dozens of cars and trucks in my life, mostly because I could not rationalize buying the latest and greatest of whatever it was I wanted only to have to throw another $$,$$$ at it to make it do what I wanted or needed it to do.

When I looked at the Grenadier there was literally nothing I thought I wanted or needed, that it did not have, and it does not have many things "modern" vehicles today come with I do not want. In the end I ask mysef, "what could I build it for" my conclusion with the Grenadier was that I could not build it for what I paid for it. For these reasons this vehicle was an exceptional value in my eyes.

 

[LC0013]

The driver's side door jamb sticker has the build month/year: View attachment 7873602

Maybe 6/23 build is a 23.5 year!

 

[Michael_in_Baja]

The average transaction price in the US in October was 48.5. I was 93.5. That's nominally double. A base lx600 is 92.5. I'm calling it expensive Mr. Moneybags.

I have built and rebuilt dozens of cars and trucks in my life, mostly because I could not rationalize buying the latest and greatest of whatever it was I wanted only to have to throw another $$,$$$ at it to make it do what I wanted or needed it to do.

When I looked at the Grenadier there was literally nothing I thought I wanted or needed, that it did not have, and it does not have many things "modern" vehi cles today come with I do not want. In the end I ask mysef, "what could I build it for" my conclusion with the Grenadier was that I could not build it for what I paid for it.For these reasons this vehicle was an exceptional value in my eyes.

Maybe 6/23 build is a 23.5 year!

I see where this is going...

That means my 2024 build is a 24.41666666667 (May 2024).

 

[Zimm]

I have built and rebuilt dozens of cars and trucks in my life, mostly because I could not rationalize buying the latest and greatest of whatever it was I wanted only to have to throw another $$,$$$ at it to make it do what I wanted or needed it to do.

When I looked at the Grenadier there was literally nothing I thought I wanted or needed, that it did not have, and it does not have many things "modern" vehicles today come with I do not want. In the end I ask mysef, "what could I build it for" my conclusion with the Grenadier was that I could not build it for what I paid for it. For these reasons this vehicle was an exceptional value in my eyes.

Expensive and value are different characteristics. A base d90 is only 10g over average out the door, but paying Sarek 20g an axle to make them lock, makes it expensive at 95 thousand all in. Expensive is merely a quantity of "expenses", as on an accounting ledger.

Value is a subjective term. If your truck at its sale price has functions another buyer doesnt want at all, It's still expensive, due to it being 2x the average transaction price, but for that person, it also ceases to be what you consider a value. You have an expensive value, they have an expensive waste.

Words. They mean what they say they mean.

Ps. As far as value goes, the value in the Gren is its MS designed body and chassis. To get that expertise and solidity elsewhere you need to 2x the money again for a gwagon. All the other functional options on this truck can be had cheaper, better and more reliable on a ford, chevy, toyota or jeep. If you think the "value" is in the options, then you missed the whole point.

 

[LC0013]

Expensive and value are different characteristics. A base d90 is only 10g over average out the door, but paying Sarek 20g an axle to make them lock, makes it expensive at 95 thousand all in. Expensive is merely a quantity of "expenses", as on an accounting ledger.

Value is a subjective term. If your truck at its sale price has functions another buyer doesnt want at all, It's still expensive, due to it being 2x the average transaction price, but for that person, it also ceases to be what you consider a value. You have an expensive value, they have an expensive waste.

Words. They mean what they say they mean.

Ps. As far as value goes, the value in the Gren is its MS designed body and chassis. To get that expertise and solidity elsewhere you need to 2x the money again for a gwagon. All the other functional options on this truck can be had cheaper, better and more reliable on a ford, chevy, toyota or jeep. If you think the "value" is in the options, then you missed the whole point.

With all the recalls to ford, chevy, toyota, or jeep they cannot be deemed to be any more reliable, or better, than any other vehicle produced. Except a Yugo. Hell, any car beats a Yugo.

 

[DoubleDoom]

What they heck is a model 23.5? Would the window sticker say that?? My window sticker says MY24 and nobody is going to change my mind to think it is a MY23.5..

In America, the dealers refer to them as MY24 but many of them are actually MY23.5. Some may even be MY23. The factory went MY24 in March/April 2024 after being on MY23.5 since about Aug/September 2023. It was MY23 before that (the exact date they switched MY versions is not known to us). The 23.5 is what Ineos called those builds to differentiate them. There were branches in regional models where some got certain changes before others.

The only differences between MY23 and MY23.5 were fixes to issues on MY23 being applied to the factory line. MY24 mostly has more fixes and new components on the head unit/electrics.

One of the easiest ways to tell if you have a factory MY24 is to put the car in reverse and look at the reversing camera. If your display fills the screen segment from top to bottom, you have a MY24. If your camera display looks like a pop up in front of the display and doesnt fill the height of the screen you have an MY23 or MY23.5.

For some reason, probably marketing, US dealers referred to all cars delivered in 2023 as MY24.

Looking at Reducs 12/23 that would make his an MY23.5
LC0013 with a 6/23 is an MY23

Ineos still reference the MY23.5 on some of their website pictures: