What happens if Ineos Grenadier shuts down for good

[Dual Grenny Guy]

When I was young there was only one house in the street that had a landline, because he had a plumbing business, so everyone gave out that number and when someone called they would send one of the kids to come and get us. We got a home phone when I was about 13, just after we got an inside flushing toilet.

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Love me some Marty Feldman!! “Young Frankenstein“ is top 10 movies of all time for me!! Man he’s sooooo young in that video!!!

Btw, ok you got me beat on the age, old timer!!!!

 

[DaveB]

Love me some Marty Feldman!! “Young Frankenstein“ is top 10 movies of all time for me!! Man he’s sooooo young in that video!!!
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Btw, ok you got me beat on the age, old timer!!!!

I recall early on we had two brothers on here from the UK who had both placed orders, 81 & 83 years old I think.
Someone correct me if I am wrong and if they are still on here.
I know we have a genuine Australian celebrity on here who has one @Bushguide who must be nudging 80++ by now.

 

[Clark Kent]

Don't hunt with hollow points. Lesson learned.

Unless you're making dinner in a Thermomix, in which case you're on the fast track.

 

[Zimm]

Seriously?
Let's see.
In the U.S., there are thousands of ROW D110s from eons ago that people happily pay nearly the same amount of money as the cost of a brand new Grenadier.
These are beat-up trucks, some well restored, some hacked to death. There's no warranty whatsoever.
With the Grenadier, you at the very least are getting a very common and well-known engine and very common and well-known transmission. Both new.

Seriously. Theses are new trucks with no support outside of the dealer network, not some 1950s technology a Cuban mechanic can fix using soup can lids for piston rings.

Also, the warranty isn’t free. It’s a huge portion of the price of a modern car. If you eliminated warranty’s (all else equal) you can lop off 10-20%. So basically, we took it in the pooper if ineos were to shit the bed.

If ineos were to announce tomorrow, they were done, no car company is buying the plant, or the design. It’s over. Buying a Gren at that point is doing so for the novelty.

 

[255/85]

If ineos were to announce tomorrow, they were done, no car company is buying the plant, or the design. It’s over. Buying a Gren at that point is doing so for the novelty.

If that happened I'd consider grabbing a second one at fire sale prices as a parts rig.

 

[Dual Grenny Guy]

Seriously. Theses are new trucks with no support outside of the dealer network, not some 1950s technology a Cuban mechanic can fix using soup can lids for piston rings.

Also, the warranty isn’t free. It’s a huge portion of the price of a modern car. If you eliminated warranty’s (all else equal) you can lop off 10-20%. So basically, we took it in the pooper if ineos were to shit the bed.

If ineos were to announce tomorrow, they were done, no car company is buying the plant, or the design. It’s over. Buying a Gren at that point is doing so for the novelty.

Even if the worse case scenario happens and they don’t open back up, I am still keeping both of mine. I already found a local shop for me willing to work on mine & I am sure many of you will do the same. Not all due to the locations you live in. These vehicles have well known parts including engines and transmission that can be worked on. The computer can be “jail broke” by one of the ton of tuner companies who would make a killing selling that info to the owners. I would also bet that just as many vendors that are still popping up now will continue to do so making replacement parts for accidents, etc. Heck I even had a conversation myself recently about investing in a company with someone in this industry already to make replacement parts if the worse case scenario played out. I won’t give up on my Grenny’s.

But the bottom line is in my opinion & belief that none of this matters as they will be opening production up in a few months. I can then call out all the naysayers OR if not I will be bombarded with negative messages and will suck it up like a man and handle it. So time will tell which is will be, but I honesty already know.

Btw, I don’t always have positive news on the Grenny’s even as Much as I love mine. Will be posting something later on that many people will hate or choose not to believe.

Peace ….

 

[svmaven]

IA is a going concern as long as Sir Jim wants it to continue as a going concern. There's no reason to think he's lost interest and I respect what he's done enough that I bought one of the early vehicles in North America.

That said: the "rugged vehicle that lasts forever" value prop is valid only if we can keep it running. With mechanical parts we can measure the parts and fabricate replacements. What should worry us about "forever" are the parts we can't easily reverse engineer. CANBus messages. Software. Some proprietary parts like touch screens and ECUs. As an example: there's enough vehicle menu in the touch screen that I don't see an easy way to pop in a DIN info/nav unit as a replacement.

I don't see it as negativity to argue we should get all the info we need to keep the IG running. And escrow for anything we can't see in the unlikely case that Sir Jim loses interest. I'm not arguing Sir Jim should release enough public information for Proton Motors to make a 5/8 scale "Minadier" version to compete with the Jiminy. But enough info that owners have some support assurance for more than a couple of years.

I think we can all agree that support documentation is 100% on-brand and just the right thing to do for owners.

 

[pmatusov]

Also, the warranty isn’t free. It’s a huge portion of the price of a modern car. If you eliminated warranty’s (all else equal) you can lop off 10-20%. So basically, we took it in the pooper if ineos were to shit the bed.

Again, what warranty there is for a $80k 95 ROW 110? And if you think it could be fixed or even maintained by non-Rover-enthusiast shop, good luck.

 

[MRS]

Maybe the sky isn't falling as Ineos Grenadier announced production to restart January 2025!!!

 

[Dual Grenny Guy]

Maybe the sky isn't falling as Ineos Grenadier announced production to restart January 2025!!!

Thank you! Was coming to post this and say……

 

[MrRdstr]

Thank you! Was coming to post this and say……

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[MrRdstr]

I had no idea this group of IG owners are so darn sensitive to the potential dooms day for the truck! My only concern was the warranty baked into my purchase price lol yes it’s a fabulous rig but other than that it’s not the end of the world.

 

[Dual Grenny Guy]

I had no idea this group of IG owners are so darn sensitive to the potential dooms day for the truck! My only concern was the warranty baked into my purchase price lol yes it’s a fabulous rig but other than that it’s not the end of the world.

What potential doom? That’s some heavy pessimistic thoughts right there. I was never worried like that. To me, The only sensitive one was you. I wasn’t worried about a warranty as I had faith they would open back up production and things will get back to normal. Well actually sounds like 2025 will be very busy for Ineos/Grenadier/QM.

Shouldn’t you be happy now with the news of the production starting January 2025? Now you can take a deep breath and keep driving your beauty of a vehicle knowing that’s its warranty is still intact.

 

[MrMike]

By end of January 2024 Australia had 1,100 vehicles sold according to Justin Hocevar in an interview.
That is sold to end customers.
He was expecting the same in 2024, plus the Quartermaster and then Quartermaster cab chassis on top of that.
Quartermaster suits the Australian market more and particularly the cab chassis version.

One dealer alone told me they were delivering 30 a month (so probably 20) and we have 29 dealers in Australia.
Another dealer this week told me they were doing services on 2 Grenadiers a day.

So I GUESS probably 2,500 or so in Australia by years end.

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Perth agent said they had delivered 300 about 2 months ago

 

[Jean Mercier]

I tried to get as much numbers together as possible for the two (nearly) full sales years 2023 and 2024 up to October, except Russia. Maybe this picture get's better over time,maybe some can contribute....

I tried to get the registration numbers of the countries or continent where Ineos Automotive claims to have at least one dealer from official authorities, except France, where I found a statement form an Ineos employee. Maybe I missed countries

That is the outcome by checking the official statistics of the countries. The numbers are not 100% accurate, the number must be higher. Example: for the UK 2023, for France 2024 is missing. But I think it gives a rough picture. If we take the claim, that 40,000 units have been sold, these round-a-bout 30,000 units must spread over the 17 countries or regions where I didn't get numbers for. However: Lynn Calder stated that the US is the best running market, so I consider that as the top level of sales for a single country. But who knows, maybe there are some more power selling countries around, other than the US, Germany, UK or Australia. Please consider, that the sales in the USA started in 2024, so you need to extract these nearly 5,000 units for 2023, which leaves 2023 as a weak year, in my perspective, as the numbers listed for these countries cover two years (mainly Europe and yeeeesss, except UK and France).

Feel free to believe or not and/or to analyse this for your self...

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AWo

@AWo, here my contribution.

I collected the numbers from Belgium since the beginning, and kept them in an Excel, because they "disappear" after some time.
I did wait till now to contribute, because for an unknown reason, FEBIAC (see link below) didn't publish the numbers of November and December 2023 for LCVs. As they always publish the last monthly number and compare it with the previous year, I got now in 2024 the missing months of 2023.

The source for last month is:

Inschrijvingen van nieuwe voertuigen tot december 2024 | FEBIAC

De Federale Overheidsdienst Mobiliteit & Vervoer en FEBIAC, de Belgische en Luxemburgse Automobiel- en Tweewielerfederatie, delen het aantal inschrijvingen van nieuwe voertuigen mee voor december 2024. Die maand telde één werkdag meer dan december 2023.

www.febiac.be

LCV are in Belgium mainly a car with no back seat, or a double cabin like the Quartermaster. Most people buy a LCV because of lesser taxes! (The explanation of the abbreviation is on the second graph )

Therefore Ineos vehicles registered in Belgium are:

• 2023: 97 vehicles
• 2024: 86 vehicles

Only 20% were registered as a "normal station wagon", like mine, therefore 80% LCV.

[EDITED: Belgium has about 11 million inhabitants and no real long 4x4 tracks]

The table with data (for those who are interested) is:

month	car	cumul Year	LCV	cumul Year	Total cars	Total LCV	total Ineos vehicles
31/01/2023​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​
28/02/2023​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​
31/03/2023​	1​	1​	0​	0​	1​	0​	1​
30/04/2023​	4​	5​	2​	2​	5​	2​	7​
31/05/2023​	7​	12​	18​	20​	12​	20​	32​
30/06/2023​	3​	15​	4​	24​	15​	24​	39​
31/07/2023​	2​	17​	5​	29​	17​	29​	46​
31/08/2023​	2​	19​	10​	39​	19​	39​	58​
30/09/2023​	0​	19​	5​	44​	19​	44​	63​
31/10/2023​	0​	19​	2​	46​	19​	46​	65​
30/11/2023​	1​	20​	14​	60​	20​	60​	80​
31/12/2023​	6​	26​	11​	71​	26​	71​	97​
31/01/2024​	0​	0​	10​	10​	26​	81​	107​
28/02/2024​	2​	2​	9​	19​	28​	90​	118​
31/03/2024​	0​	2​	14​	33​	28​	104​	132​
30/04/2024​	1​	3​	9​	42​	29​	113​	142​
31/05/2024​	2​	5​	3​	45​	31​	116​	147​
30/06/2024​	0​	5​	3​	48​	31​	119​	150​
31/07/2024​	2​	7​	9​	57​	33​	128​	161​
31/08/2024​	0​	7​	3​	60​	33​	131​	164​
30/09/2024​	1​	8​	2​	62​	34​	133​	167​
31/10/2024​	1​	9​	7​	69​	35​	140​	175​
30/11/2024​	0​	9​	3​	72​	35​	143​	178​
31/12/2024​	2​	11​	3​	75​	37​	146​	183​

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Well - at least you have waffles, beer and Godfrey de Bouillon. And smug bureaucrats. I don’t like the US carrying all the volume - especially if Trump follows through on tariffs. If it’s all about the US market, they need a service strategy (same as Australia), should assume lifts and 35’s, maybe look at US manufacturing (but too late for that), and the BMW engine, as wonderful as I think it is, will always get some resistance. A lot of US Defender restomods are going with “small” block displacement GM V8’s.

 

[bigleonski]

Out of curiosity, is it confirmed that Ineos is punching out new grenadiers at Hambach since the closure yet?

 

[Tazzieman]

Out of curiosity, is it confirmed that Ineos is punching out new grenadiers at Hambach since the closure yet?

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[Joefly78]

Well - at least you have waffles, beer and Godfrey de Bouillon. And smug bureaucrats. I don’t like the US carrying all the volume - especially if Trump follows through on tariffs. If it’s all about the US market, they need a service strategy (same as Australia), should assume lifts and 35’s, maybe look at US manufacturing (but too late for that), and the BMW engine, as wonderful as I think it is, will always get some resistance. A lot of US Defender restomods are going with “small” block displacement GM V8’s.

Yeah I have been thinking along these lines. Send partial builds over here without engine (decrease the tariff impact) and plug in an American V8. Extra bonus is you get a better looking shifter.

 

[ADVAW8S]

On the 12the day of Christmas my true love gave to me...Sunday
Lrt the oompah loompahs have their full Christmastide

I figured it will happen middle of the month. So the 15th