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Americas US Towing Package: A Hiccup delaying delivery of the tow package (not the vehicle!).

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To get what you're looking for, and I mean no disrespect by this, would require a one off build off of an older chassis, and the selling potential would be minimal especially given the cost to produce.
 

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I simply think that there was a missed opportunity to produce a stick version. Ford managed to offer a standard transmission on the Bronco. They basically had to go with the ZF 8-speed auto because of they went with the BMW B57 engine.
 

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I simply think that there was a missed opportunity to produce a stick version. Ford managed to offer a standard transmission on the Bronco. They basically had to go with the ZF 8-speed auto because of they went with the BMW B57 engine.
As much as I like rowing my own gears, the IA market share is fractions of a percent compared to Ford or Jeep, and I'm sure that from a business sense the auto was a no brainer. According to an older article from THE DRIVE, about 15% of Bronco orders are for the manual (with the 2 door accounting for much of it). Ford, however, put the option on hold and has considered dropping the stick to simplify the build process. Source: TTAC

I combed through a bunch of articles but the data I could find stopped around 2020; essentially though, only about 3 percent of NA vehicles are sold with manual transmissions and less than 20% globally. I would imagine that number would be significantly lower once sports cars and econoboxes were removed from the data. The reality is, manual transmissions gradually faded away because autos eventually caught up with respect to fuel economy and at this point can offer more gears and faster shifting while streamlining the build process for OEMs. Even Toyota went auto-only in the new 70 series with the new 4cyl spec (can still get a manual on the V8 though).

Would I like a manual trans Grenadier? Yes. Would I buy one over the ZF 8-speed if offered? Probably not.
 

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Regal has been pretty good with updates on progress. Mine arrived at the dealership yesterday and I'm hoping to pick it up this weekend or next week. That confirms the tow packages are being actively modified at the Brunswick, GA port. My IG is pretty well loaded with options. It sounds like the accessories will be an issue - even the picnic tables. I am not sure what all they have at this point, but I assume very little in the way of availability. I'm hoping it passes the PDI test and I'll get all the other updates / tow package / accessories in January or February.
 

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As much as I like rowing my own gears, the IA market share is fractions of a percent compared to Ford or Jeep, and I'm sure that from a business sense the auto was a no brainer. According to an older article from THE DRIVE, about 15% of Bronco orders are for the manual (with the 2 door accounting for much of it). Ford, however, put the option on hold and has considered dropping the stick to simplify the build process. Source: TTAC

I combed through a bunch of articles but the data I could find stopped around 2020; essentially though, only about 3 percent of NA vehicles are sold with manual transmissions and less than 20% globally. I would imagine that number would be significantly lower once sports cars and econoboxes were removed from the data. The reality is, manual transmissions gradually faded away because autos eventually caught up with respect to fuel economy and at this point can offer more gears and faster shifting while streamlining the build process for OEMs. Even Toyota went auto-only in the new 70 series with the new 4cyl spec (can still get a manual on the V8 though).

Would I like a manual trans Grenadier? Yes. Would I buy one over the ZF 8-speed if offered? Probably not.
Well-reasoned and researched. Was at the dealership this afternoon - and I can't wait to take delivery of my Scottish White Trialmaster! The speed warning and other superfluous electronic annoyances will likely eventually be jettisoned with future software updates. As for the Start/Stop feature – I am sure there will be aftermarket hack-module.
 

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Mine came in today !!! Tow hitch removed and panel put on the back until the recall. May not sleep a wink tonight!
 

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Mine came in today !!! Tow hitch removed and panel put on the back until the recall. May not sleep a wink tonight!
Hi Texas Grenadier, Your Grenadier looks incredible. In regard to the blank off panel for the tow hitch, at least they did a nice design. DaBull
 

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Looks great, any chance you would take a picture of the payload sticker on the driver's door jamb or let us know what your pa is? Thanks in advance.
I pick it up tomorrow, but here is one I took of the demo.
 

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Thanks all! Just know that they are starting to show up at your local dealers more then ever now. So didn’t be surprised if you get “the call”. Mine showed up with 4 others today and the dealer got an email that they were on the way at the same time the transport pulled up.
 

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Thanks all! Just know that they are starting to show up at your local dealers more then ever now. So didn’t be surprised if you get “the call”. Mine showed up with 4 others today and the dealer got an email that they were on the way at the same time the transport pulled up.
My phone rang yesterday - will pick up in the next week or so
 

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Unless I missed something, still no Trialmasters with tow package and winch showing up?
 
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I simply think that there was a missed opportunity to produce a stick version. Ford managed to offer a standard transmission on the Bronco. They basically had to go with the ZF 8-speed auto because of they went with the BMW B57 engine.
The take rate, on manual transmission vehicles, is phenomenally low. Ineos R+D would lose money, guaranteed. Unfortunately, the ship has sailed for manual transmissions, as has the ship for horses being primary transportation.
 
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