Tazzieman said:
Unless you need to accelerate uphill whilst towing , the B58 torque is more than enough. The Grenadier is speed limited.If you want to go fast , buy a Porsche. You'll use heaps less fuel.
Given that I'm in the market for a Grenadier, or something in that category, this would be the only Porsche that would meet our off-road driving needs. However, it doesn't have much in the way of payload, and at close to one million U.S. dollars, its a bit out of my price range.
My guess is that you do not live at 8,500 feet above sea level (2,580 meters), nor do you regularly drive over 11,000 foot passes (3,340 meters). We do. My commute involves over 3,000 feet of elevation change (1,000 meters). Weighing in at 5,840 pounds, the Grenadier's 281 HP doesn't seem sufficient for our on-road needs - though I think it should be fine off-road. It is forced induction, so it will not lose power due to elevation, so I am reserving final judgement until I drive one. But frankly, I expect more power from a $75,000 vehicle - even one that is clearly not staking out turf in the performance SUV market. Before you offer any further vehicle-buying advice, if I wanted a performance SUV I would buy one - there are plenty to choose from.
Here are a handful of vehicles ranked first by
horsepower per pound of vehicle weight, and then ranked by
torque per pound of vehicle weight. Comparing power by vehicle weight controls for weight (the Power Wagon, for example, has one of the strongest engines, but it is also the heaviest vehicle, so when you control for weight, it ranks quite low). These just happen to be vehicles of a similar category that we have either owned or thought about purchasing. We have also owned sports sedans (Audi RS4, Audi S4) but I don't include those for what should be obvious reasons. Of all the vehicles in this list, only the Toyota Landcruiser is more expensive than the Grenadier. Before anyone rushes to inform me that when you buy a Grenadier you are not purchasing it for its power or blazing speed, but its solid build and design, uhhh, yeah, I'm well-aware. My history driving true off-road vehicles began in the 1980s when I drove Defenders in the Royal Marines. I owned a 1975 Toyota Landcruiser FJ-40, and a 1978 Jeep CJ-7.
Note: the Grenadier will drive better than the numbers indicate, because its power will come in at low rpms, due to the turbo. By contrast, the naturally aspirated V6 engines in this list have to be wrung out to make their full power.
Note: the "4Runner Super Ch" refers to the current generation of Toyota 4Runner with a dealer-installed Magnuson super charger; price for a 2022 Trail Edition, with a rear locker, and a super charger: $50,000
Lastly, I would point out that people have different end-uses for their vehicles. Your end-use is probably different than mine. Let's make a deal: I won't judge how you intend to use your vehicle if you don't judge how I intend to use mine. Sound good?
