Steering stabilizer bar

[TCMColorado]

100% correct! The factory Steering stabilizer is to blame for the lack of self centering and to some degree the wandering.

On another note, who's comparing the IG's steering to a rack and pinion? It's unfortunate that some here continue to presume that's the problem, that everyone thinks it should feel like a Subaru or something.

To be clear there are two distinct complaints outside of an off center steering wheel. The two actual issues are the lack of return to center and the wandering. Most of these complaints are from the USA where road speeds are generally higher unless your from one of those North East states that have 55mph interstates. Aside from that, yeah we all get it that it drives like any other solid axle truck. Nobody is complaining that's the steering is heavy or less than sports car like. Hell the IG's steering is way easier than my G wagon.

There is no reasonably modern Dodge, Ford or Chevy truck that has the return to center issues or that wanders unless something is definitively wrong with it. I've driven versions of all of these made in the last 3-4 decades. There is not one that drives like the IG regardless of any delusions anyone here is having.

Stop insinuating anyone complaining about the IG's steering is comparing it to a Rack and Pinion vehicle.

While most members of this forum are not comparing the steering to a rack and pinon vehicle, the greater automotive market most certainly is.

 

[Dokatd]

While most members of this forum are not comparing the steering to a rack and pinon vehicle, the greater automotive market most certainly is.

I understand your point, but there are certainly a few prominent members here that continue to push the rack and pinion narrative.

 

[TCMColorado]

I understand your point, but there are certainly a few prominent members here that continue to push the rack and pinion narrative.

The owners who continue to make that comparison bought the wrong vehicle.

 

[jcurtin]

On topic of death wobble, I experienced this several months ago. Was bad, dangerous. For what is it worth, I had zero issue with a wobble prior to having the dealer install the fox AGA 1001, had multiple wobble events almost immediately after (random though... like 70 miles after install and driving at speed for some time... and certainly dangerous driving down highway), and once I had the dealer go back to stock, I've not had an issue since.

I'm in the US, have 20K miles on vehicle.

So, about 19,750 with stock... all good. 250 miles with AGA 1001... for some reason... awful.

Glad others are happy w/ fox as it sounds like it has been issue free for them.

For others dealing with wobble, consider going back to stock IMO.

 

[jcurtin]

After this first deathwobble my dealer changed the dampener against a new one of the same OME type and did. a correct axle setting with maximum possible caster.
400 Kilometers later I had the next very hard deathwobble.
My dealer tells me that he has a lot of customers with the OME damper and that I‘am the only one with this problem. Not a big help for me…..
Now I have a date for changing the damper to the original one.
In my opinion the OME damper is very dangerous, because you don’t feel the slightest problem before the deathwobble happens.
I wish all of you a good new year (without deathwobble)

You can see my earlier posts (+ one I just did for group) on topic. I went back to stock and have been not experienced wobble since. Good luck!

 

[Krabby]

... I had zero issue with a wobble prior to having the dealer install the fox AGA 1001, had multiple wobble events almost immediately after. ... and once I had the dealer go back to stock, I've not had an issue since.

This speaks volumes IMO.

 

[Tom109]

This speaks volumes IMO.

Yes, it does. I can only speak to my personal Grenadier that has no death wobble, wandering steering, or self-centering issues. Sorry, but I just scratch my head…

 

[Zimm]

On topic of death wobble, I experienced this several months ago. Was bad, dangerous. For what is it worth, I had zero issue with a wobble prior to having the dealer install the fox AGA 1001, had multiple wobble events almost immediately after (random though... like 70 miles after install and driving at speed for some time... and certainly dangerous driving down highway), and once I had the dealer go back to stock, I've not had an issue since.

I'm in the US, have 20K miles on vehicle.

So, about 19,750 with stock... all good. 250 miles with AGA 1001... for some reason... awful.

Glad others are happy w/ fox as it sounds like it has been issue free for them.

For others dealing with wobble, consider going back to stock IMO.

There shouldnt be any DW on a new truck but that having been said, it's apparent they experienced it and likely too late in the development to fiddle with the control arms, so they chose an extra heavy dampener. I'm assuming off the line most wouldn't experience anything even without a dampener, but I also expect there's going to be loosening of the linkage the more miles, wheeling and binding that occurs, so... while I was going to just ditch it and see what happens after my first service, after reading some experiences like this, I've decided to just keep it. After 8000 miles, I'm accustomed to the shitty return to center, so it's all meh at this point.

 

[Dokatd]

The owners who continue to make that comparison bought the wrong vehicle.

You are not wrong. But I take more issue with the ones that come on and say "Mine steers just fine

On topic of death wobble, I experienced this several months ago. Was bad, dangerous. For what is it worth, I had zero issue with a wobble prior to having the dealer install the fox AGA 1001, had multiple wobble events almost immediately after (random though... like 70 miles after install and driving at speed for some time... and certainly dangerous driving down highway), and once I had the dealer go back to stock, I've not had an issue since.

I'm in the US, have 20K miles on vehicle.

So, about 19,750 with stock... all good. 250 miles with AGA 1001... for some reason... awful.

Glad others are happy w/ fox as it sounds like it has been issue free for them.

For others dealing with wobble, consider going back to stock IMO.

What is AGA 1001?

If you didn't have the adjustable unit then you were short changed. The adjustable Fox can achieve similar results to the factory unit.

The Fox units are not made for the IG in any way whatsoever. Vendors are just repurposing units made for jeeps and such. Thus the valving is not tailored to the IG at all.

I cannot speak to the valving of the King unit.

With the Fox adjustable you can dial in what you need. Find a road defect that causes your Death Wobble and run over it a few times at different settings until you get as low as possible without any wobble. Then maybe turn it a click higher for good measure.

Hopefully Fox and others will spec a properly valved stabilizer in the near future.

Bottom line, there is no magic or voodoo in the stock unit, just a crap ton of valving that can be mimicked by, at the moment, only a highly adjustable steering stabilizer.

 

[Zimm]

You are not wrong. But I take more issue with the ones that come on and say "Mine steers just fine

What is AGA 1001?

If you didn't have the adjustable unit then you were short changed. The adjustable Fox can achieve similar results to the factory unit.

The Fox units are not made for the IG in any way whatsoever. Vendors are just repurposing units made for jeeps and such. Thus the valving is not tailored to the IG at all.

I cannot speak to the valving of the King unit.

With the Fox adjustable you can dial in what you need. Find a road defect that causes your Death Wobble and run over it a few times at different settings until you get as low as possible without any wobble. Then maybe turn it a click higher for good measure.

Hopefully Fox and others will spec a properly valved stabilizer in the near future.

Bottom line, there is no magic or voodoo in the stock unit, just a crap ton of valving that can be mimicked by, at the moment, only a highly adjustable steering stabilizer.

I'm not certain what you mean by "tailored" valving. There's no magic or voodoo in any of them. Unfortunately, it appears there's a good reason for the stiff stock units.

As far as custom tuning goes, I'd approach this how I approach my AR's. I didn't tune them to shoot soft as puppy fur, then add a tad. I tuned mine so as to not slam back hard enough to break anything, but unfailingly cycle. Failure to work is a pickle, so I'm guessing that was the approach the Ineos guys took here. Why screw around, shoot for NO death wobble on any of them.

Yep, I've changed from team "rip it off" to team "leave it alone". The easiest way to be right the most often, is to identify where you're wrong.

 

[Tenac]

A stabilizer isn't a smoking gun for death wobble, that can come from anything related to steering and suspension.

 

[jcurtin]

You are not wrong. But I take more issue with the ones that come on and say "Mine steers just fine

What is AGA 1001?

If you didn't have the adjustable unit then you were short changed. The adjustable Fox can achieve similar results to the factory unit.

The Fox units are not made for the IG in any way whatsoever. Vendors are just repurposing units made for jeeps and such. Thus the valving is not tailored to the IG at all.

I cannot speak to the valving of the King unit.

With the Fox adjustable you can dial in what you need. Find a road defect that causes your Death Wobble and run over it a few times at different settings until you get as low as possible without any wobble. Then maybe turn it a click higher for good measure.

Hopefully Fox and others will spec a properly valved stabilizer in the near future.

Bottom line, there is no magic or voodoo in the stock unit, just a crap ton of valving that can be mimicked by, at the moment, only a highly adjustable steering stabilizer.

 

[LC0013]

You are not wrong. But I take more issue with the ones that come on and say "Mine steers just fine

Mine steers fine with factory parts. Why is that an issue?

 

[Dokatd]

Mine steers fine with factory parts. Why is that an issue?

You're lacking context.

 

[Dokatd]

I'm not certain what you mean by "tailored" valving. There's no magic or voodoo in any of them. Unfortunately, it appears there's a good reason for the stiff stock units.

As far as custom tuning goes, I'd approach this how I approach my AR's. I didn't tune them to shoot soft as puppy fur, then add a tad. I tuned mine so as to not slam back hard enough to break anything, but unfailingly cycle. Failure to work is a pickle, so I'm guessing that was the approach the Ineos guys took here. Why screw around, shoot for NO death wobble on any of them.

Yep, I've changed from team "rip it off" to team "leave it alone". The easiest way to be right the most often, is to identify where you're wrong.

If you are not aware that steering stabilizers and of course shocks are tailored or more precisely valved to the application then you have little credibility.

AR's? Poor comparison.

If you were using that AR for hours on end daily you would be more inclined to refine the experience.

I use my A400 far more in the field than my insanely expensive custom Browning Double Barrel. Why, because the A400 does the same job but better. The Browning is mostly eye candy at this point.

If you want to "shoot" for no death wobble then get an IFS truck. It will do effectively everything a factory IG will do and there will most certainly be no chance of death wobble. Plus more diff clearance.

It's funny, most people really thought "Hey, the IG will be something I can work on myself cause it's simple and I can throw a bunch of accessories on it". Now it's don't mess with it!!!!! Ineos knows best. What a joke! Give your balls a tug.