Steering stabilizer bar

[Dokatd]

Having experienced the Dodge death wobble on my 1996 Dodge ram 2500 I can tell you the track bars are terrible and way underbuilt. I replaced mine years ago with a heavy duty track bar and never had a problem again. I am hesitant to replace the overly stiff factory steering stabilizer to improve the steering that I don't really have a problem with because I have heard a few reports of death wobble after the change.

The only reason you will get death wobble is if you set it too low. I am sure if you have a convo with Owl or Agile etc prior to buying they will happily refund you if you have an issue that cannot be attributed elsewhere.

I hope you will give it a shot and report back here. I think there has been a lot of circumstantial issues with some people install that has lead to a couple bad reviews. Plus the new designed bracket is much more appropriate on the FOX. The King looks like it just drops right in as well.

Install is 100% diy so you can swap back and forth for free excluding your time.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Having experienced the Dodge death wobble on my 1996 Dodge ram 2500 I can tell you the track bars are terrible and way underbuilt. I replaced mine years ago with a heavy duty track bar and never had a problem again. I am hesitant to replace the overly stiff factory steering stabilizer to improve the steering that I don't really have a problem with because I have heard a few reports of death wobble after the change.

Your experience sounds a bit like mine, in that I have been fortunate in never having had any steering issues with my Grenadier. All very strange as I know some people have had serious problems.

 

[Nevada Grenadier]

The only reason you will get death wobble is if you set it too low. I am sure if you have a convo with Owl or Agile etc prior to buying they will happily refund you if you have an issue that cannot be attributed elsewhere.

I hope you will give it a shot and report back here. I think there has been a lot of circumstantial issues with some people install that has lead to a couple bad reviews. Plus the new designed bracket is much more appropriate on the FOX. The King looks like it just drops right in as well.

Install is 100% diy so you can swap back and forth for free excluding your time.

I have not decided on King or Fox shocks yet and if I am being honest I want the stabilizer to match the shocks. I will for sure try one but man death wobble is no fun, I might have PTSD from the Dodge...

 

[Nevada Grenadier]

Your experience sounds a bit like mine, in that I have been fortunate in never having had any steering issues with my Grenadier. All very strange as I know some people have had serious problems.

I have driven 350 miles after getting the 2.5" lift installed, still feels fine to me.

 

[Dokatd]

My unadjustable Fox Stabilizer I bought from Agile Odd Road for $269.00 is quite good. My issue is with the XXL turning radius. Many times I have to reverse and turn once or twice. It can be rough when you have cars waiting behind you. It would be very nice if the camber would have a factory fix.

I made a video comparing the Grenadier to a Gwagon and several other solid axle vehicles. It wasn’t great My huge Unimog U1300L just eeks out a smaller turning radius. That was with the factory set steering stops. As soon as my back recovers I plan on making some adjustments and seeing if I can get it a bit closer to a stock Gwagon. Luckily the Unimog has the same style half shafts and joints. So I can get some factory specs from it and a few other mog’s I own and feel comfortable enough with any increases I make on the Grenadier.

The key is always to mitigate stress on the front end while at full lock. CV’s and Ujoints etc can be brutally strong in a straight line but not so much at extreme angles. I suspect Ineos was protecting the Double Cardan joints by limiting the steering angle. Yet another compromise.

 

[Dokatd]

I have not decided on King or Fox shocks yet and if I am being honest I want the stabilizer to match the shocks. I will for sure try one but man death wobble is no fun, I might have PTSD from the Dodge...

No doubt, it gets spooky. It’s even worse on a built rig with 40”+ tires.

And yes I feel dirty having the FOX stabilizer and the King shocks, but hey it is what it is at the moment. I do like the ease of adjustment on the FOX though and the new Fox option for the Grenadier looks nice. But man the huge Kings really take a beating without a sweat.

 

[Nevada Grenadier]

No doubt, it gets spooky. It’s even worse on a built rig with 40”+ tires.

And yes I feel dirty having the FOX stabilizer and the King shocks, but hey it is what it is at the moment. I do like the ease of adjustment on the FOX though and the new Fox option for the Grenadier looks nice. But man the huge Kings really take a beating without a sweat.

Yeah I like the Kings a lot. they look way over built and I like that.

 

[Knoe]

I own a 3 months old Grenadier with 3300 KM absolved. Fitted from day One with the OME Taubenreuther damper which makes the steering behavior much better for me.
Until today there was not the slightest problem with wobble.
Today at a german highway with good tarmac suddenly a very hard wobble appeared at a speed of 110 Km. I am an experienced driver using cars like an old Defender or different Classic Cars so I am not very fast scared, but this was a really bad experience.
The steering wheel shaked for about 10 seconds very hard and I needet strong arms to hold the car on the road. After this 10 seconds the wobble stopped and the car drove absolute normal. At the moment the wobble started It felt like loosing a wheel. Think I better change back to the standard damper…( which in my opinion feels really bad)

 

[Tazzieman]

I own a 3 months old Grenadier with 3300 KM absolved. Fitted from day One with the OME Taubenreuther damper which makes the steering behavior much better for me.
Until today there was not the slightest problem with wobble.
Today at a german highway with good tarmac suddenly a very hard wobble appeared at a speed of 110 Km. I am an experienced driver using cars like an old Defender or different Classic Cars so I am not very fast scared, but this was a really bad experience.
The steering wheel shaked for about 10 seconds very hard and I needet strong arms to hold the car on the road. After this 10 seconds the wobble stopped and the car drove absolute normal. At the moment the wobble started It felt like loosing a wheel. Think I better change back to the standart damper…( which in my opinion feels really bad)

Use the standard damper for 3,300km and you will find it loosens up , and all will be good.
As a Defender owner you will be used to some steering effort and large turning circle that is a hallmark of the Grenadier.

 

[Max]

Tazzieman ​

Think I better change back to the standart damper…( which in my opinion feels really bad)

Tazzieman is right, I have 36k klms on my girl and it has freed up nicely and of course you will become even more familiar with as he said, this hallmark of the Grenadier

 

[[ Adam ]]

I own a 3 months old Grenadier with 3300 KM absolved. Fitted from day One with the OME Taubenreuther damper which makes the steering behavior much better for me.
Until today there was not the slightest problem with wobble.
Today at a german highway with good tarmac suddenly a very hard wobble appeared at a speed of 110 Km. I am an experienced driver using cars like an old Defender or different Classic Cars so I am not very fast scared, but this was a really bad experience.
The steering wheel shaked for about 10 seconds very hard and I needet strong arms to hold the car on the road. After this 10 seconds the wobble stopped and the car drove absolute normal. At the moment the wobble started It felt like loosing a wheel. Think I better change back to the standart damper…( which in my opinion feels really bad)

Too many mentions of death wobble with the aftermarket stabilizers.

No thanks, I'll stay OEM (30k km/19k miles)

 

[Tazzieman]

In the early days there was an infamous much discussed video of a prototype showing apparent wobble on an offroad course.
The response may have been to spec the beefy Bilstein in the stock vehicle...

 

[Nevada Grenadier]

In the early days there was an infamous much discussed video of a prototype showing apparent wobble on an offroad course.
The response may have been to spec the beefy Bilstein in the stock vehicle...

Yeah I remember that video, I have had death wobble on my Dodge 2500, at this point I do not plan to get an aftermarket dampener. I really feel like the steering not returning to center is noticeable but I feel has been overblown. Not worth inducing Death wobble.