Something is not right

[dynosoar]

Google Earth pictures are at least a year or two out of date I think.
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[AnD3rew]

There are at least two other threads going on the subject of delays and poor communication. Pretty sure the subject has been very well covered and there is not anlot more to say until more information becomes available, hopefully from Feb 8 when the press embargoes lift.

 

[Jean Mercier]

This are Smart cars indeed! No doubt! And pictures are not recent pictures. Stop dreaming!
Or don't stop (I won't stop dreaming) but stop with "fake news"

 

[Stu_Barnes]

1000 Grenadiers are already waiting in Hambach according to my agent.

Well from the photos there looks to be plenty of space for them.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

This are Smart cars indeed! No doubt! And pictures are not recent pictures. Stop dreaming!
Or don't stop (I won't stop dreaming) but stop with "fake news"

Wasn’t there a member that lives nearby? I’d hop in the car for a fact finding expedition if I was close enough

 

[stickshifter]

Google Earth pictures are at least a year or two out of date I think.
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Yeah - most are somewhere between 1-3 years old. There is usually some metadata available to help date the image. See for example this explanation:

Find the Exact Date When a Google Maps Image was Taken - Digital Inspiration

Find the exact date when Google Street View cars captured those images of your neighbourhood. Or when satellites and planes took those aerial pictures of any location on Google Maps

www.labnol.org

I didn't see any dates in the images posted in this thread, but maybe those were edited out (?)

Zoom Earth (a competitor to Google Earth from Bing) is supposed to be much more current than Google Earth:

Zoom Earth | Live Weather Map & Hurricane Tracker

Interactive world weather map. Track hurricanes, cyclones, storms. View LIVE satellite images, rain radar, forecast maps of wind, temperature for your location.

zoom.earth

Here is a review of Zoom Earth:​

Zoom.Earth - Near real-time satellite data and high resolution archival data​

Fairly similar to Google Earth (especially since it’s the Bing competitor), Zoom Earth shows the most recent satellite images and aerial views in a fast, zoomable map. The platform pulls in refreshed data every 10 minutes from NOAA GOES and JMA Himawari-8 satellites, and every 15 minutes via EUMETSAT Meteosat satellites.

Daily images are provided by services from NASA’s GIBS (see below). NASA-NOAA satellite Suomi-NPP, and MODIS Aqua and Terra provide continuous imagery for “AM” at local 10:30am, and “PM” at local 1:30pm. If you zoom in, you will see historical images, provided by Bing Maps and Esri, which are updated every few months. Storm tracks and forecast maps are created using data from NHC, JTWC and IBTrACS.

Pros: Free to use (for non-commercial applications) large library (entire world). No account needed. The data is easily browsable and multiple resolutions are available by simply zooming in.

Cons: recent images might not be available. Data is not downloadable.

Ideal for: Hobbyists looking at pictures of different places in the world.

 

[klarie]

No idea. there's no date stamp. Are you volunteering to be the Satellite image analyst @klarie ?

If so you're hired

No, I do fly occasionally drone and do picture analysis but not this. Nice joke but if I were I most certainly wouldn’t tell. However .. Fact Production started in October 2022 obviously fall/ autumn. The pictures here do not reflect late year weather condition. Smart „brakeshoe“ cars Or bins indeed? have a distinct shape.. also the vehicles down there are far to few. So to me altogether unlikely there is one single IG to be parked. At that time IG prototypes were still built by hand in Graz / Austria. The few longer ones on top seem a few delivery vans parked there.

 

[Jean Mercier]

Wasn’t there a member that lives nearby? I’d hop in the car for a fact finding expedition if I was close enough

I will only drive to Hambach if I can pick up my car there myself!
And the shortest way is 400 km, longer than the largest distance point to point in my own country, therefore very distant, and is also crossing 4 countries, 3 borders: Belgium, Luxemburg, Germany, France. You can't imagine how tricky this is!
4 hours and 15 minutes driving! No way, unless i can do it with a Grenadier

 

[Stu_Barnes]

I will only drive to Hambach if I can pick up my car there myself!
And the shortest way is 400 km, longer than the largest distance point to point in my own country, therefore very distant, and is also crossing 4 countries, 3 borders: Belgium, Luxemburg, Germany, France. You can't imagine how tricky this is!
4 hours and 15 minutes driving! No way, unless i can do it with a Grenadier

I’m well aware of the now thankfully much easier process driving across Europe apart from the UK border part

I did the road rally for the Snowbombing festival a number of years back in an E39M5 with a slipping clutch from London to Mayrhofen in Austria. We got clocked by the MTV chase van doing 166mph somewhere in Germany. The drive by made the final edit for the tv show, but to bring it back on topic for those reading, if I were doing that now then I’d drop by the factory with a drone probably get escorted away by the local police but it would be another adventure

And if anyone is interested in the festival. It was great. Where else could you see “de la soul” as a warm up to the “prodigy” and chose to stand at the back in the beer tent drinking one of these and be 25 m from the stage.

And to the op. I’m holding fast that INEOS will deliver a great vehicle. A little later than anticipated or expected but better than hoped for.

 

[grenadierboy]

1000 Grenadiers are already waiting in Hambach according to my agent.

A week to go guys - hold the line!

seems about right emax.

Think about it - production commenced 16 Oct at 20 cars a day & according to INEOS, slowly increasing to 90 per day in late Dec, (as per estimated first year production) - so approx 2,000 built so far.

A couple of hundred PTO3's, then 400-500 demos for agents that can be later sold, and a 1,000 or so customer cars waiting for software update, transit to agents, pre-delivery prep & official launch.

 

[Cheshire cat]

This thread has been like something from Bellingcat. My son is part of the British military Intelligence Core. Maybe I should get him on the case also.

 

[Solmanic]

This are Smart cars indeed! No doubt! And pictures are not recent pictures. Stop dreaming!
Or don't stop (I won't stop dreaming) but stop with "fake news"

Yeah, hate to burst this bubble but the most recent Google Streetview images are from October 2021 and that entire lot (the first one Stu posted) is now covered with solar panels. You can even see the support posts starting to go in in the image. So the Google Earth/Maps aerial imagery is from before that.

We need BOOTS ON THE GROUND!

 

[Tazzieman]

Honestly I don't think there has been a production holdup.

 

[Nocrays]

Yeah, hate to burst this bubble but the most recent Google Streetview images are from October 2021 and that entire lot (the first one Stu posted) is now covered with solar panels. You can even see the support posts starting to go in in the image. So the Google Earth/Maps aerial imagery is from before that.

We need BOOTS ON THE GROUND!

I will only drive to Hambach if I can pick up my car there myself!
And the shortest way is 400 km, longer than the largest distance point to point in my own country, therefore very distant, and is also crossing 4 countries, 3 borders: Belgium, Luxemburg, Germany, France. You can't imagine how tricky this is!
4 hours and 15 minutes driving! No way, unless i can do it with a Grenadier

Hey there Jean - Its only 4 hours I think a recce is in order?

 

[Stu_Barnes]

This thread has been like something from Bellingcat. My son is part of the British military Intelligence Core. Maybe I should get him on the case also.

I'm trying CGHQ but they won't pick up....

 

[Stu_Barnes]

Hey there Jean - Its only 4 hours I think a recce is in order?

lets have whip round for petrol money.

 

[AnD3rew]

Honestly I don't think there has been a production holdup.

Depends I guess on how you define production

 

[Tazzieman]

Depends I guess on how you define production

Finished and just awaiting software stuff and paper regs/signoff

 

[Sam]

Regarding the OP - something is not right

... or perhaps, launching a new automotive company is really hard and everyone is just really busy?

 

[AnD3rew]

Finished and just awaiting software stuff and paper regs/signoff

Also depends where you measure delay from. There have definitely been several initial production delays along the way, but if you mean did the plant start building customer cars as per the last actual update then maybe they did. There may well be a bunch of cars that have come off the line but if they are awaiting rework, parts and software I would still class that as in production. I was told in the latest round that my car would be built in January for a March April delivery. I haven’t had any updates on that so it’s possible my car has been built and is sitting waiting to be dispatched but who knows. If it hasn’t been built I would say it has been delayed. I am not overly worked up about that, but I do need some updates soon as there are logistical considerations.