Sick of waiting

[DCPU]

This has a feeling of an injunction in place preventing IA from completing customer sales...any legal bods on here, is there a registry of cases/claims that can be checked?

 

[Ever Pragmatic]

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Environmental nutters howling at the moon regarding fracking.. I’m sure the irony of keeping their houses warm with fracked gas imported from the USA. Who incidentally pay a fraction of the cost per therm for gas that we do.

 

[Tom D]

The worst of it is we (europe) buy gas from African nations and yet our banks won't lend those same African nations the money to build their own power stations, (because it they don't want to be seen to be supporting fossil fuel). So they have all this gas that they can't use themselves!
The Woke world is becoming a big problem. it was fine when it was just activists and students. but now it's the establishment.

 

[DCPU]

Back to @tartan shepherd & the legal issue.

I think there are various outstanding cases (at last time of checking some months ago) involving JLR and Ineos around the world ~ Portugal, South Africa & USA being just 3.

An issue such as lack of Certificate of Conformity (CoC) would throw a spanner in the works. A paper format CoC must be supplied free of charge to the buyer when the vehicle is delivered. If I recall correctly @Jean Mercier did not mention one with his vehicle but maybe the paperwork travels separately from the vehicle.

Then again there's also the Type Approval & CoP (Conformity of Production) paperwork.

 

[klarie]

Looking here..
KBA
showed Ineos registered 2 vehicles in January 2023 in Germany.
From previously 0!

The type approval seems to be granted in Germany - according to latest publication page 448 (German) it appears in the list of type approvals now.

Here you can look at English language information : Link to all published types M/ N etc

Also page 448 (printed)
On page readers it might be adjusted. -

So from a papers perspective there is nothing hindering the shipment. - If there is some legal topic - and its open - that would be food for the press. And in particular most appealing for those who do not like such old school offroaders and like to ban individual motorized transportation.

Also I cant see any notice of issues in relation to Ineos Grenadier at KBA.

 

[globalgregors]

The worst of it is we (europe) buy gas from African nations and yet our banks won't lend those same African nations the money to build their own power stations, (because it they don't want to be seen to be supporting fossil fuel). So they have all this gas that they can't use themselves!
The Woke world is becoming a big problem. it was fine when it was just activists and students. but now it's the establishment.

Weird, many think the opposite is the problem (p21 onwards is what you’re after).

https://reclaimfinance.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/2022.11.15_Urgewald_Who-is-Financing-Fossil-Fuels-in-Africa.pdf

 

[DCPU]

Looking here..
KBA
showed Ineos registered 2 vehicles in January 2023 in Germany.
From previously 0!

Good info ~ is it possible to get data for the previous years?

It would put some numbers to the PTOs all running about on German plates.

So from a papers perspective there is nothing hindering the shipment.

Unless Ineos are having to tinker with the vehicles to an extent they require a revised type approval?

And there's also CoC for the vehicle and CoP for Hambach.

 

[klarie]

Good info ~ is it possible to get data for the previous years?

It would put some numbers to the PTOs all running about on German plates.


Unless Ineos are having to tinker with the vehicles to an extent they require a revised type approval?

And there's also CoC for the vehicle and CoP for Hambach.

Perhaps on the same place. I just did a quick search. - The KBA collects a number of statistics. But remember, Ineos is accredited as an automotive manufacturer since 03.2022 So perhaps you can see that there.
Need to search monthly statistics.

It would however only mention vehicles registered in Böblingen. There are also PTO in operation with UK, Austria or French registration. The vehicle I tried got Austria registration and was built by Magna - I also sat in one that was already built in Hambach plant.

Btw for those who may not know - in Germany previously if a car was moved to another county it had to be re-registered with new county (Kreis) and always required a new number plate.

Now - if you take a car and move to another county - it just need to notified that the "home base" of owner has changed and different paperwork is issued. The registry plate will stay.

If you sell the vehicle directly to a new owner - change of ownership - the plate will also stay.
However If the car is taken temporary out of service - eg. sitting a while at an used car dealership later sold and changes then ownership and location - then it will get a new new number plate of the county of new owner.

 

[froggy]

Same for me.

Interesting. Mine has order number then date contract signed then estimated delivery date. Have since had same email re jacket.

 

[marko]

Unless Ineos are having to tinker with the vehicles to an extent they require a revised type approval?

And there's also CoC for the vehicle and CoP for Hambach.

Thanks, I think you might be onto something here. On one of the first customer cars seen at a dealer (sorry can't remember whether this was on fb or this forum) someone photographed the Hambach CoP lying on the passenger seat through the window which had a Dec '22 build date. So maybe the delay is down to the type approval or individual vehicle CoC? Would be great if they would be a little more open, especially with the dealers, as to the cause of the delay registering cars.

 

[bemax]

Good info ~ is it possible to get data for the previous years?

It would put some numbers to the PTOs all running about on German plates.


Unless Ineos are having to tinker with the vehicles to an extent they require a revised type approval?

And there's also CoC for the vehicle and CoP for Hambach.

Until 2023 there has not been any entry for a vehicle from Ineos at the KBA database as far as I know.

 

[AWo]

The problem is not that the car comes too late, the problem is that Ineos announced its delivery to optimistic too early.
But the result is the same.

Cheers
AWo

 

[Jean Mercier]

If I buy a car in Germany, I have to change the numberplate to a Belgian one, for two reasons: I pay taxes in Belgium and the numberplate is linked to a person or a company, not to the car.

Therefore my new car will keep the numberplate of my old car.

 

[DCPU]

Until 2023 there has not been any entry for a vehicle from Ineos at the KBA database as far as I know.

What about all the PTO2s running around on German plates in 2022?

 

[klarie]

What about all the PTO2s running around on German plates in 2022?

The statistics collect only data from vehicles that have a general approval. The PTO may have an exceptional approval or single type approval. And do not fall under a general type rating. This is the same if you go shorten the plate frame chassis of an old Volkswage beetle, lower the pillars and convert into a hot rod style vehicle..
some guys did that.. 150 HP 4 carburetors etc..
So in the good ol days when you could do this.. and emission regulation was not the big issue..
you could ask for a single approval.. I ve got a friend in Dortmund who owned such a toy.
Was built / reconstructed in 1980.. green metal flake painted and crazy sound from air intakes .. and road approved..

 

[beanohallett]

M

My contract doesn't give a specific date - just talks about the local agent getting in contact with a delivery date.

likewise and Jardiens said we will be in touch when we have some news

 

[DCPU]

The statistics collect only data from vehicles that have a general approval. The PTO may have an exceptional approval or single type approval. And do not fall under a general type rating.

I obviously don't read German, but doesn't the document give an approval date of 17th March 2022?

 

[emax]

Maybe September 9th will be the eventual handover date

Did they also tell you what time?

 

[bemax]

I obviously don't read German, but doesn't the document give an approval date of 17th March 2022?

You are right. That’s the date the vehicle type number has been issued. Nevertheless for some reason they didn’t showed it in this list until the end of last year. I really do not know whether this date is the date for the type approval.

 

[emax]

Before approval, it needs of course an "Aktenzeichen" in Germany, so to say a "name". And I guess that they use this numbers and assign them at the very beginning of the approval process. They mean nothing until approval has been granted.