Pickup version spotted today in Graz

[DDG]

It will be a long wait to buy your second grenadier of any configuration. Even at full production; which will take a few years to work up to, the queue is going to be long. I definitely want to own both a station wagon/suv and a pickup version. Perfect combo! I will place my order the first moment I am allowed to.

 

[emax]

Maybe IG has realised, that the factory they got themselves can churn out 450.000 vehicles a year

That would be @ 24/365 - without a holiday and vacation, 1232 cars a day. In three shifts, almost one car per minute.

Hard to believe.

 

[Jeremy996]

Maybe IG has realised, that the factory they got themselves can churn out 450.000 vehicles a year and making less than 50000 will inevitably lose money.

A substantial part of the industrial estate Europole Sarregumines Hambach 2, originally intended to accommodate suppliers to the Hambach factory, is being redeveloped by a Norwegian company to manufacture solar panels: The source in French:

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The Ineos business plan is breakeven on Grenadier production at less than 25000 per annum. The plant is not a typical "mass production" track; it is very configurable, Mercedes spent an absolute fortune on making it flexible and scalable as part of the dowery to Ineos, (French law on redundancies is draconian).

 

[frankkk]

The Ineos business plan is breakeven on Grenadier production at less than 25000 per annum. The plant is not a typical "mass production" track; it is very configurable, Mercedes spent an absolute fortune on making it flexible and scalable as part of the dowery to Ineos, (French law on redundancies is draconian).

You are right, however a plant that size is designed for several 100’ units.

IA have been contracted to build the front ends of MB EQA and EQX until ‘26 and smart cars until ?

Without those, they’d be lost w 25’ units in that factory and an IG would have to retail upwards of 100k to balance the books.

 

[frankkk]

That would be @ 24/365 - without a holiday and vacation, 1232 cars a day. In three shifts, almost one car per minute.

Hard to believe.

Strange but true. That’s modern automotive manufacturing, started in EU in the 80’s by VW with the project Halle 54 (unsuccessfull) and was fine tuned in the 90’s and 00’ mainly by MB, BMW and VW.

Toyotas manufacturing used to be way ahead and served as a blue print to the Guurmans, VW in particular.

Now 40 yrs on, that CAD CAM based system is well developed and the figures are correct.

The non-believers might take a look at an actual factory of a similar size from another manufacturer to confirm the numbers..

IA has been contracted to build MB’s and Smarts in the plant, next to the IG, it wouldn’t be feasible w/o those.

 

[ADVAW8S]

From Drive Magazine
UPDATE, 30 January 2023: The Ineos Grenadier ute is due in Australia by the end of this year, according to local boss of the start-up car-maker Justin Hocevar.
Australia has been identified as a 'key market' for the Grenadier ute, according to Ineos, with production due to begin for left-hand-drive and right-hand-drive models in the second half of the year.
Pricing for the Ineos Grenadier ute is yet to be revealed.

 

[frankkk]

From Drive Magazine
UPDATE, 30 January 2023: The Ineos Grenadier ute is due in Australia by the end of this year, according to local boss of the start-up car-maker Justin Hocevar.
Australia has been identified as a 'key market' for the Grenadier ute, according to Ineos, with production due to begin for left-hand-drive and right-hand-drive models in the second half of the year.
Pricing for the Ineos Grenadier ute is yet to be revealed.

That's good news ! Should sell like hot cakes in OZ, provided they get their sales and after sales support together.

I was giving out about the poor performance of those two departments in an earlier post. And the online configurator in another. Both are anti-sales, big time ! Unfortunately, nothing has changed so far. I registered my interest in the UTE on IA´s website a couple of weeks ago. No acknowledgement, no automated email, no nothing from IA. Unless they see to sales and support instantly, the project Grenadier is doomed to fail and will be absorbed by one of the mainstream manufacturers..or simply die. That would be a big loss, so get your act together IA, quick !

 

[globalgregors]

From Drive Magazine
UPDATE, 30 January 2023: The Ineos Grenadier ute is due in Australia by the end of this year, according to local boss of the start-up car-maker Justin Hocevar.
Australia has been identified as a 'key market' for the Grenadier ute, according to Ineos, with production due to begin for left-hand-drive and right-hand-drive models in the second half of the year.
Pricing for the Ineos Grenadier ute is yet to be revealed.

I don’t know… what do Aussies think about this?
Sure, the top selling vehicles are utes, but it’s not like the LR Defender 130 Dual Cab ever sold like hot cakes.
I speculate that the average (ie.) Ranger buyer wants a family sedan up front and space for their trade out the back.
Or do we think the ‘outback tourer’ market is that big?
I say that having never owned one (dual cab ute that is).

 

[bigleonski]

I don’t know… what do Aussies think about this?
Sure, the top selling vehicles are utes, but it’s not like the LR Defender 130 Dual Cab ever sold like hot cakes.
I speculate that the average (ie.) Ranger buyer wants a family sedan up front and space for their trade out the back.
Or do we think the ‘outback tourer’ market is that big?
I say that having never owned one (dual cab ute that is).

Yeah $100k plus in the dual cab ute market - I have my doubts to be honest.

 

[bemax]

I hardly know anything about the pick up market. The only thing is that the market outside of Europe is reasonable big. On the other side the production capacity of Ineos is limited within narrow boundaries. For sure there is an intersection of some thousand people worldwide who will purchase it although it’s far more expensive than the rest of the market.

 

[grenadierboy]

Yeah $100k plus in the dual cab ute market - I have my doubts to be honest.

Dual cab market in Australia is big with plenty of cars much cheaper than $100k but, as capable as the Grenadier off road - me thinks not

 

[Shopkeep]

Yeah $100k plus in the dual cab ute market - I have my doubts to be honest.

In metro areas it may get lost between the $70k dual cab ute and the $130k US 1500 class truck customer. Brand recognition will be important in the cashed up tradie market, not sure how the Grenadier will go over. If you tell your Bro you just bought a Ranger Raptor or a Ram 1500 they will think you're a freakin' legend, tell them you bought a Grenadier and you will get crickets.

It will need to be available with a tray instead of the tub to win over the Landcruiser 70 series market. Toyota sold 11,390 Landcruiser pickups & crew cabs here last year, if they can convert 2000+ of those sales to Grenadiers I would think that is a win.

 

[globalgregors]

Toyota sold 11,390 Landcruiser pickups & crew cabs here last year,

Whoa, OK - the segment is bigger than I thought. I’m sure a chunk of that would be up for grabs.

 

[ADVAW8S]

To take market share, Ineos would need to provide the higher payload and towing capabilities. The currently the payload is on par with the ram and ranger.

 

[DenisM]

I don’t know… what do Aussies think about this?
Sure, the top selling vehicles are utes, but it’s not like the LR Defender 130 Dual Cab ever sold like hot cakes.
I speculate that the average (ie.) Ranger buyer wants a family sedan up front and space for their trade out the back.
Or do we think the ‘outback tourer’ market is that big?
I say that having never owned one (dual cab ute that is).

I've been a long time observer of the Australian Land Rover forum AULRO.com and have formed the view that if the Grenadier is produced as a single and dual cab -chassis it will become a very strong seller. In Sept 2017, one of the AULRO forum members started a thread "Ineos Grenadier -do you think it will take off?"
That thread now runs to 92 pages, 900+ comments and almost 93 thousand views.... quite a number also frequent this forum!

Speaking with the local dealer recently, he was surprised at the number of 'classic' LR Defender owners asking about part payment using their current vehicle as the trade-in when their Grenadier arrives. Others have dropped by to chat indicating that they're waiting for the dual cab version to replace their current dual cab (including 130 owners) as their work /touring vehicle. Quite a number of regular AULRO LR owners have kept their LR Defender but bought one of the "usual suspect" dual cabs for work/play simply because LR had nothing equivalent to what has evolved as the Grenadier . I get the sense that while the S/W model will suit many, there is pent-up demand for the extended wheelbase Genadier cab/chassis ... adequate supply is going to be the problem... one step at a time as "they" say!
Anyway, that's my "two bobs worth"!

 

[Sam]

I've been a long time observer of the Australian Land Rover forum AULRO.com and have formed the view that if the Grenadier is produced as a single and dual cab -chassis it will become a very strong seller. In Sept 2017, one of the AULRO forum members started a thread "Ineos Grenadier -do you think it will take off?"
That thread now runs to 92 pages, 900+ comments and almost 93 thousand views.... quite a number also frequent this forum!

Agree, and also noticing plenty of AULRO members on here (myself included)

And... what choice have they - owners of Old Defenders - got? LR pushed the Old Defender down an evolutionary dead end. The ND is not the modular platform that the OD was, or the IG will be...

Has anyone been inside the current Toyota 70 series utes?

I think the IG ute will sell by the ship-full

 

[Stu_Barnes]

• The Grenadier pick-up truck is currently being tested with a winter trip to Sweden planned in the next few weeks. North American availability for the truck and the 127” long-wheelbase Grenadier SUV is still TBD. Unfortunately, the diesel option will not be sold in North America to begin with.

So they are looking into a LWB version, now that may have me holding my order, assuming it is coming to the usa.........

For reference the new defender 130 has a wheelbase of 119" it's not much of a comparison but mentally it gives me some context.

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/tread-magazine-usa-numbers-numbers-numbers.12411094/

 

[ADVAW8S]

I am holding off on my order, I have decided. I want the pickup and I am willing to wait. We are getting the 2024 model and I do believe, gut feeling, the LWB and the Pick up will come with SWB. If not I will wait until they show up.

 

[YIPPE]

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[TradChap]

Lots of dual cab utes with tubs sold in Australia but for work and offroad the cab/chassis or tray back is most popular.
Often the tub is removed for a canopy to go on and sometimes the tub even gets a second life
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