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New software is now out 11th Sept 2023 (SW0000000364001946)

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I think also it could come down to individual dealers, have they the appropriate background for this type of dealership. My dealer has in its "family franchise" both BMW and L/R dealerships, among other, so I am hoping they are well place to have the right skill sets to address Ineos problems.
Well, I think you probably will be more lucky then. At least they have knowledge of BMW engines, and 4x4 technologie.
My dealer is a Mercedes dealer. And no doubt that they know what they are doing and are fine mechanics. But BMW engines and 4x4 technologie is not their standard business.
 

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Sorry, I missed the previous post with the same information...
 
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Software update done today at Compass Automotive of Bridgewater.
Two hours to do.
Paperwork said “With NATO plug” in comments section.
Both keys reconfigured (don’t forget to take both with you).

Noticed ODO and “remaining miles” have swapped places.

Eerily quiet cockpit on my 40 mile drive home. Beginning to suspect they simply disconnected the bing bong speaker!😁

Great job Compass. They asked straight away if I had any issues or have noticed any unusual sounds etc before going in for the update. Nothing to report.
Thanks that's good to know - mine booked in 2 weeks time - but they want it for 3 days to complete the full list of gremlins. Eg door seals, roof leak etc
 

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Affirmative... terminal is live with engine off (y)
Did you find if you had the compressor wires under the rear seat? If so, test the smaller relay trigger wire has +12v with ignition on. If so take this wire to the Nato solenoid and replace the +ve wire on the solenoid with it. When you turn your ignition on you will hear the solenoid activate and +12v will be at your nato with ignition on. (you could of course piggy back a suitable fuse that shows +12v with ignition on rather than use the spare compressor wire)
 

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No software update for me. It was planned on Monday and Tuesday, next to some other recall actions from Ineos, and my steering wheel who was a bit off hook.
But last week on Friday they tried it on one of their own vehicles, and they spent a whole day on it. It seems to be that the procedures to get it done, are not very clear.... Not sure if they succeeded.
I have the impression that at this moment, they really have no idea how to services this vehicle. It's all a bit blurry. Also if you ask, can you add a reverse camera? What about the wiring of the tow hook? They have no answer.
Sometimes I have the impression that we know more about the issues on this vehicle as owners, than te dealers. If you talk about a problems or issues that are well documented all over the forum here, they have never heard about it. (or they pretend not to have heard about it)
I am wondering if there are already trained service mechanics/electricians from Ineos out there?
Your last paragraph is probably correct, although expertise and enthusiasm for Grenadiers must vary from dealer to dealer. Easy to forget that for many guys in dealers’ workshops it’s just a job. How often do we come across someone, In any sphere of life, who is a genuine expert that’s happy go the extra mile to solve a customer’s problem? They are certainly not the majority.

I imagine to the average dealer’s mechanic, this Forum consists of slightly mad obsessives who love everything about the Grenadier. To most of them it’s probably ‘just an effin car’, like the last thousand and the next thousand they’ll work on 🤣. I need to cheer up don’t I 🤭.

My Fieldmaster has been at the dealers for 2 weeks now being updated and otherwise fiddled with. I may even get to sit in it and drive it for the first time shortly 👍🏼.
 

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Your last paragraph is probably correct, although expertise and enthusiasm for Grenadiers must vary from dealer to dealer. Easy to forget that for many guys in dealers’ workshops it’s just a job. How often do we come across someone, In any sphere of life, who is a genuine expert that’s happy go the extra mile to solve a customer’s problem? They are certainly not the majority.

I imagine to the average dealer’s mechanic, this Forum consists of slightly mad obsessives who love everything about the Grenadier. To most of them it’s probably ‘just an effin car’, like the last thousand and the next thousand they’ll work on 🤣. I need to cheer up don’t I 🤭.

My Fieldmaster has been at the dealers for 2 weeks now being updated and otherwise fiddled with. I may even get to sit in it and drive it for the first time shortly 👍🏼.
I hope you get your car fast! I am sure you will love to drive with it!
But it's a fact that the "Ineos Automotive Service Academy" hasn't seen any student yet. Maybe they are waiting for the syllabus that isn't printed yet, just as the service manual and the electric wiring diagrams, and...... :ROFLMAO:
 

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Well, I think you probably will be more lucky then. At least they have knowledge of BMW engines, and 4x4 technologie.
My dealer is a Mercedes dealer. And no doubt that they know what they are doing and are fine mechanics. But BMW engines and 4x4 technologie is not their standard business.
Indeed, they know nothing about the car, end of July the technician who had to replace one seal of the safari window didn't know you could easily take it out, 20 seconds work.
And he also told me it was a pity the motor wasn't a Mercedes motor. 😨
And in July when I brought my car at the workshop at 8AM and got it back at 16h15 with only less than half the work done, they got an angry e-mail from me after I discovered they only begun the work at 13h15!
What Arno from Hedin told me then was scaring: "you should understand we have some performance indicators concerning the service to our Mercedes customers!". Means the Grenadier customers are not important :unsure:

On my demand, I had a phone call with our dealer Hedin yesterday (with "Arno", but written differently ;) ) for servicing, software update and other pending repairs. He also told me he couldn't do the software update yet, and that the first servicing wasn't necessary after 15000 km, but yes after 20000 km.

At night I was so pissed off by his responses, after receiving the e-mail from Ineos about the software update, that I send a new complaint e-mail (to Arno, Rob and Erik).
My last phrase in my complaint yesterday was (translated from Dutch): "A Grenadier owner is (most often) not a typical Mercedes C-class owner! I bought a 4x4"

I got a formal answer today that if I want a conversation, we can have it next Wednesday (I will bring the car in for some smaller stuff) or make another appointment!

If I could choose, I would go to another workshop!
 

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Indeed, they know nothing about the car, end of July the technician who had to replace one seal of the safari window didn't know you could easily take it out, 20 seconds work.
And he also told me it was a pity the motor wasn't a Mercedes motor. 😨
And in July when I brought my car at the workshop at 8AM and got it back at 16h15 with only less than half the work done, they got an angry e-mail from me after I discovered they only begun the work at 13h15!
What Arno from Hedin told me then was scaring: "you should understand we have some performance indicators concerning the service to our Mercedes customers!". Means the Grenadier customers are not important :unsure:

On my demand, I had a phone call with our dealer Hedin yesterday (with "Arno", but written differently ;) ) for servicing, software update and other pending repairs. He also told me he couldn't do the software update yet, and that the first servicing wasn't necessary after 15000 km, but yes after 20000 km.

At night I was so pissed off by his responses, after receiving the e-mail from Ineos about the software update, that I send a new complaint e-mail (to Arno, Rob and Erik).
My last phrase in my complaint yesterday was (translated from Dutch): "A Grenadier owner is (most often) not a typical Mercedes C-class owner! I bought a 4x4"

I got a formal answer today that if I want a conversation, we can have it next Wednesday (I will bring the car in for some smaller stuff) or make another appointment!

If I could choose, I would go to another workshop!
Sorry about your experience Jean . I think luxury dealers cannot get their heads around what Ineos customers are like . I bet no one buys an s class and immediately proceeds to take it apart and start tinkering with it . I bet they will never understand us .
On the contrary to your experience my experience with my dealer i have to say is amazing . To be honest had no issues that needed sorting but anything i asked to be ordered or done has been meet with smiles .

If you want a service and they are not doing it ask them to provide a service kit at a reduced price to do yourself . ( dead easy )

At the end of the day if you want a service you want a service . Does not matter what the interval is .

And you can highlight next time that if they are going to work on something that they have no idea about they should at least RTFM ( Read the ducking Manual ). Ineos has an amazing software that takes you step by step through all kinds of maintenance and service on the Grenn . Them not knowing is not an excuse if the forum mebers can get all this information then i bet the dealer can .

Really sorry my man but i am getting angry on your behalf because it clearly seems they see ineos as another notch on their belt . Nothing more .
 

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And you can highlight next time that if they are going to work on something that they have no idea about they should at least RTFM ( Read the ducking Manual ). Ineos has an amazing software that takes you step by step through all kinds of maintenance and service on the Grenn .

I think you made a mistake, it is not "ducking" but "f*cking" ;)
Not that I don't believe you, but (unless I missed something), first time I hear somebody saying this: "an amazing software that takes you step by step through all kinds of maintenance and service"

If will have to tell them indeed to RTFM or is it RTDM.
 

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Indeed, they know nothing about the car, end of July the technician who had to replace one seal of the safari window didn't know you could easily take it out, 20 seconds work.
And he also told me it was a pity the motor wasn't a Mercedes motor. 😨
And in July when I brought my car at the workshop at 8AM and got it back at 16h15 with only less than half the work done, they got an angry e-mail from me after I discovered they only begun the work at 13h15!
What Arno from Hedin told me then was scaring: "you should understand we have some performance indicators concerning the service to our Mercedes customers!". Means the Grenadier customers are not important :unsure:

On my demand, I had a phone call with our dealer Hedin yesterday (with "Arno", but written differently ;) ) for servicing, software update and other pending repairs. He also told me he couldn't do the software update yet, and that the first servicing wasn't necessary after 15000 km, but yes after 20000 km.

At night I was so pissed off by his responses, after receiving the e-mail from Ineos about the software update, that I send a new complaint e-mail (to Arno, Rob and Erik).
My last phrase in my complaint yesterday was (translated from Dutch): "A Grenadier owner is (most often) not a typical Mercedes C-class owner! I bought a 4x4"

I got a formal answer today that if I want a conversation, we can have it next Wednesday (I will bring the car in for some smaller stuff) or make another appointment!

If I could choose, I would go to another workshop!
Where is your next closest Ineos Supplier?

I would be dumping your current excuse for a supplier and going elsewhere.
Simply register your Grenadier with whoever you please.

My Grenadier originally came from Carlisle, but is now registered with Compass Automotive of Bridgewater (only 40 miles away, as opposed to 300).

Good luck with your journey!
 

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Ineos has an amazing software that takes you step by step through all kinds of maintenance and service on the Grenn . Them not knowing is not an excuse if the forum mebers can get all this information then i bet the dealer can .
Hi Tinki,
Where can I acces these information where you ar talking about? I only have the user manual that I downloaded myself (The dealer, the same as the one from Jean, didn't even had that one available)
Would be a great help to understand the mechanics and electronics behind our cars.

And for the rest , you are completely wright. We are complete atypical clients.
 

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No software update for me. It was planned on Monday and Tuesday, next to some other recall actions from Ineos, and my steering wheel who was a bit off hook.
But last week on Friday they tried it on one of their own vehicles, and they spent a whole day on it. It seems to be that the procedures to get it done, are not very clear.... Not sure if they succeeded.
I have the impression that at this moment, they really have no idea how to services this vehicle. It's all a bit blurry. Also if you ask, can you add a reverse camera? What about the wiring of the tow hook? They have no answer.
Sometimes I have the impression that we know more about the issues on this vehicle as owners, than te dealers. If you talk about a problems or issues that are well documented all over the forum here, they have never heard about it. (or they pretend not to have heard about it)
I am wondering if there are already trained service mechanics/electricians from Ineos out there?
It seems to me that not every vehicle is build with the same components and/or there may be also a difference between LHD and RHD? Mine is already a week at the dealer. After killing it with the first software update they replaced the head unit but are still not be able to perform the update. As I have been told the update is a 3 parts procedure. On mine after the upload of the first part lots of errors appeared and a new upload didn't help. They don't know what is going on and, so far, it's happening on mine only.
Does anyone know what the 3 parts are for? Part one is for the head unit I suppose, and the others?
 

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Hi Tinki,
Where can I acces these information where you ar talking about? I only have the user manual that I downloaded myself (The dealer, the same as the one from Jean, didn't even had that one available)
Would be a great help to understand the mechanics and electronics behind our cars.

And for the rest , you are completely wright. We are complete atypical clients.
its not available to us yet , only dealer avalabe unfortunately .
I hope it will be coming to us soon as they promised a workshop manual .
 
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I think you made a mistake, it is not "ducking" but "f*cking" ;)
Not that I don't believe you, but (unless I missed something), first time I hear somebody saying this: "an amazing software that takes you step by step through all kinds of maintenance and service"

If will have to tell them indeed to RTFM or is it RTDM.
Software exist , it looks like fancy CAD ( computer aided desgin) software . where the whole car is drawn and you can click on stuff and you get part numbers and names .
You are also able to go throught step by step how to take thinks appart or service the car. Its available to dealer only .
Some scren shots on the forum are form that software. ( the word software here is used loosley , in realily is a web page with all the above information)
 

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First two pictures in this post are form said "software"


ITs a cross between a workshop manual and parts catalogue . essentially majority of the questions we have on the forum can be answered from there .
YOu only need a willing dealer to sit and look throught it .

i feel like i opened Aeolus bag or Pandoras box depending on how you look at it :)
 

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First two pictures in this post are form said "software"


ITs a cross between a workshop manual and parts catalogue . essentially majority of the questions we have on the forum can be answered from there .
YOu only need a willing dealer to sit and look throught it .

i feel like i opened Aeolus bag or Pandoras box depending on how you look at it :)
I want this, I need this, That's beter than the Haynes Owners Workshop Manual!
 

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First two pictures in this post are form said "software"


ITs a cross between a workshop manual and parts catalogue . essentially majority of the questions we have on the forum can be answered from there .
YOu only need a willing dealer to sit and look throught it .

i feel like i opened Aeolus bag or Pandoras box depending on how you look at it :)
I indeed understood that some members (@DCPU) here have the luck to have a dealer who is willing to share some information.
 
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