Drowning my Grenadier (a sorry, soggy saga)

[Clark Kent]

The previous version was available here with some modifications (headrests, heat shields & indicators) to meet the prevailing ADRs, but I believe the new Super 3 (and all current Morgans) don't meet the current ADRs so are not available?

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How do you like your eggs @Shopkeep?
Spotted in Zurich in July 2024.
It was Foching nice

 

[Jeremy996]

I see a tow bar and electrics on that Morgan. As a classic car I presume it preceeds type approval regulations. I doubt whether new Morgans have type approval for such useful items

They don't. I used to tow an Enterprise dinghy with the Morgan. It was the same colour; I wish I'd taken pictures as it was a bit of a sight, with the dinghy looking rather bigger than the car.

The tow bar came from the Morgan experimental shop back in 1995, a wildly different world. It had been fabbed up as a optional extra decades before and no one had bought one until I turned up. It bolts between the chassis ends and curves upwards to support the towball. It fended off a Ford Mondeo that tried to get too amerous in a petrol station and split the Mondeo's radiator. Steam everywhere and the Morgan undamaged!

 

[Jeremy996]

How do you like your eggs @Shopkeep?
Spotted in Zurich in July 2024.
It was Foching nice

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That has got the "Urban Pack" fitted; the electric fan to cool the tops of the cylinders and the fuel injection gubbins. This generation had a few development hiccups including cracking frames, bevel gears failing, hot seizes and destroyed cush-drives.

 

[Trialmaster]

Maybe you need one of these:

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Shameless copy of a Defender. I truly hate anything that comes out of China these days.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Love the 3 wheeler, I tried one but didn’t fit.

I do love the new Supersport and have already lost a few hours on the configurator but I really, really wish it could be had as a manual.

And, even better, a v8.

 

[ECrider]

any further news on your Gren @Jeremy996 ?

 

[CountyV8]

Love the 3 wheeler, I tried one but didn’t fit.

I do love the new Supersport and have already lost a few hours on the configurator but I really, really wish it could be had as a manual.

And, even better, a v8.

It’s got a B58 in it and an Ineos guy at Morgan too

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Yeah I knew it was a b58 but didn’t know there’s an Ineos guy at Morgan, who’s that?

 

[CountyV8]

Garry pearson

 

[Jeremy996]

any further news on your Gren @Jeremy996 ?

Nothing useful so far. NFU are waiting for a quote; dealer preparing quote; neither seem to be in a rush.

 

[lightning]

That's four months. What exactly are they waiting for?
What are the dealer actually "preparing" that's taken so long. Parts availability can't be the cause as that wouldn't delay the quote/go ahead decision.

 

[Jeremy996]

Ineos Automotive do not appear to have pre-prepared sub-assemblies/briefings/component lists for likely repair cases, so Chandlers are having to create a quote from scratch using the parts book, book times and repair manual. This is potentially irrecoverable labour charges if NFU do not approve the quote.

Back when I was working in the motor trade, four decades ago now, (!), most motor manufacturers would have lists/briefings/sub-assemblies for common failures. So a destroyed engine fix would be one pre-available list of parts, labour and other contingencies. What I cannot understand from the position of Ineos Automotive's self-interest is why this was not pro-actively available; a significant component in insurance rates is repair costs.

For my Grenadier, I am anticipating a short engine, head, valves, cam, bearings, seals, gaskets, intercooler, (potentially clean out rather than replace, but still needs a labour time), 2 x turbos, engine loom and ancilaries, so the list is potentially massive. What we don't know at this juncture is what else is compromised and what can be tested in situ.

If all of the manual and parts books were available to owners, I could do this myself; I can guarantee that my motivation to get the task done and dusted is not lacking!

 

[Tazzieman]

Ineos Automotive do not appear to have pre-prepared sub-assemblies/briefings/component lists for likely repair cases, so Chandlers are having to create a quote from scratch using the parts book, book times and repair manual. This is potentially irrecoverable labour charges if NFU do not approve the quote.

Back when I was working in the motor trade, four decades ago now, (!), most motor manufacturers would have lists/briefings/sub-assemblies for common failures. So a destroyed engine fix would be one pre-available list of parts, labour and other contingencies. What I cannot understand from the position of Ineos Automotive's self-interest is why this was not pro-actively available; a significant component in insurance rates is repair costs.

For my Grenadier, I am anticipating a short engine, head, valves, cam, bearings, seals, gaskets, intercooler, (potentially clean out rather than replace, but still needs a labour time), 2 x turbos, engine loom and ancilaries, so the list is potentially massive. What we don't know at this juncture is what else is compromised and what can be tested in situ.

If all of the manual and parts books were available to owners, I could do this myself; I can guarantee that my motivation to get the task done and dusted is not lacking!

Surely they can cut and paste from BMWs repair guide?

 

[DenisM]

Surely they can cut and paste from BMWs repair guide?

Providing BMW allow them (IA) access to their IP for commercial purposes.
It's recognised within senior ranks of Ineos as implied by Lynne Calder that insufficient time and resources was dedicated to the system underpinnings...most of the management attention was directed towards getting the vehicle built in sufficient numbers... the essential systems are still catching up.

 

[Tazzieman]

Providing BMW allow them (IA) access to their IP for commercial purposes.

Surely there would be plenty of open knowledge amongst the BMW community? The B58 isn't a newly minted engine.

 

[CountyV8]

It should be written off as you don’t know what internal or long term damage has been done

 

[Jeremy996]

It should be written off as you don’t know what internal or long term damage has been done

I don't get to choose - NFU Mutual do. The size of the quote will drive that decision.