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Same for me with planned extended travels into the northern Territory (e.g. Tanami Track), Simpson desert (West to East). Despite the best will in the world, sensors can and do fail. I've had a failed crank sensor (10,000km) and a (Bosch) oxygen sensor (5,000) let go. Highly unusual but it happened. The "Faultmate" (Blackbox solutions) was critical to being able to get sorted.
The Ineos "Flying Spanners" are unlikely to venture into the desert (unless it's a slow day at the office!)... I'd have thought that the ability to read Grenadier codes was part and parcel of the publicly advertised Ineos philosophy of not expecting their vehicles to see a major workshop for extended periods ...but they still need to be properly serviced albeit under a tarp strung between two trees!
Denis if you want isolation, check out the Murrinji Track in the NT. There are some water catchments along the way complete with Aboriginal Chipping's and occasional spear tips. That work was conducted beside the waterways for obvious reasons.
 

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Well it's arrived at the agents just need the SW update so I can drive it away and enjoy it
 

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It's no secret that the ability to change the default configuration allows the owner to set things up differently than he normally could.

Everyone knows that some are legal, others are not.

I will probably buy a Carli or something similar. But not because I necessarily want to change anything. Perhaps I will, perhaps I won't. But following Christian from LR Time, it's clear that a device to detect sensor problems, fault codes (which can block some functions until cleared) and information in general can massively help detect simple problems - like loose plugs, broken wires and the like, not to mention sensors that can often be replaced by tech-minded owners without risk.

Without an OBD device to "look inside" a car's electronics, you always have to go to a professional repair shop for even minor problems, often paying a few hundred bucks extra for something you could do yourself without risk.

And you need something that not only allows you to monitor the car, but also to program it, for example to clear a fault code that needs to be reset in order for a new sensor to be accepted by the system.

You don't have to be in a desert to consider buying such a device. It's an every day tool, a must have for the tech-minded owner of such a complex thing like a modern car.
Exactly! Also important to note that most don’t just ’name’ the fault, but give instructions for remediation.
 

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Also Judo and Jiu Jitsu are not really designed to fight multiple people at once.
They can be of course but not really designed for it
Judo is probably better than Jiu Jitsu particularly Brazilian JJ
One thing I would like to say about martial arts: it is sport. As soon as you practice it because you want to be able to use it: forget about it! It takes you years before you get confident enough to say “I could use it” but once there the mentality should be “I don’t want to”.

When I was “much” younger, there were these Kung Fu movies (David Carradine, Lou Reed, … euh no, that was another sport 😉 and Bruce Lee …). When a guy registered to our club (or sport school or whatever you want to call a Judo academy), because he wanted to learn to fight like the in the Kung Fu movies and beat up people, the first thing we did is beating that guy as hard as we could so that he got discouraged. We didn’t want that kind of guys in our sports club! By the way: never a girl who wanted this, but yes, girls who wanted to learn some self defense! This was OK.

I repeat: it is sport, it is fun, like the Grenadier is fun. Nothing wrong wanting to learn a martial art if your job is body guard, but it takes time to get some knowledge. Nothing wrong using the Grenadier as a farmer or for towing professional stuff! You also learn to use a 4X4 by doing mistakes!
 

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One thing I would like to say about martial arts: it is sport. As soon as you practice it because you want to be able to use it: forget about it! It takes you years before you get confident enough to say “I could use it” but once there the mentality should be “I don’t want to”.
I can sprint around 7-8 metres/second. A crocodile can sprint up to 12 metres/second.
Know your opponent!
 

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One thing I would like to say about martial arts: it is sport. As soon as you practice it because you want to be able to use it: forget about it! It takes you years before you get confident enough to say “I could use it” but once there the mentality should be “I don’t want to”.

When I was “much” younger, there were these Kung Fu movies (David Carradine, Lou Reed, … euh no, that was another sport 😉 and Bruce Lee …). When a guy registered to our club (or sport school or whatever you want to call a Judo academy), because he wanted to learn to fight like the in the Kung Fu movies and beat up people, the first thing we did is beating that guy as hard as we could so that he got discouraged. We didn’t want that kind of guys in our sports club! By the way: never a girl who wanted this, but yes, girls who wanted to learn some self defense! This was OK.

I repeat: it is sport, it is fun, like the Grenadier is fun. Nothing wrong wanting to learn a martial art if your job is body guard, but it takes time to get some knowledge. Nothing wrong using the Grenadier as a farmer or for towing professional stuff! You also learn to use a 4X4 by doing mistakes!
I found the more you train the less you want to get into a fight and the less you find yourself in those situations
You train to learn more and realise how little you know, and how much more there is to learn
 

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One thing I would like to say about martial arts: it is sport. As soon as you practice it because you want to be able to use it: forget about it! It takes you years before you get confident enough to say “I could use it” but once there the mentality should be “I don’t want to”.

When I was “much” younger, there were these Kung Fu movies (David Carradine, Lou Reed, … euh no, that was another sport 😉 and Bruce Lee …). When a guy registered to our club (or sport school or whatever you want to call a Judo academy), because he wanted to learn to fight like the in the Kung Fu movies and beat up people, the first thing we did is beating that guy as hard as we could so that he got discouraged. We didn’t want that kind of guys in our sports club! By the way: never a girl who wanted this, but yes, girls who wanted to learn some self defense! This was OK.

I repeat: it is sport, it is fun, like the Grenadier is fun. Nothing wrong wanting to learn a martial art if your job is body guard, but it takes time to get some knowledge. Nothing wrong using the Grenadier as a farmer or for towing professional stuff! You also learn to use a 4X4 by doing mistakes!
 
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Let me know if I'm wrong... I guess that batch & hold means that they produce a certain number of cars and put them in hold until they are tested thoroughfully. After testing they will introduce the solutions to the problems that could be emerged.
Is that a right interpretation? And how long a similar procedure will take? And the batch are country selected? Lot of questions, due to the waiting obsession...:giggle:
I was told by Ineos Australia people that there were a number of different components that were delayed, some because Ineos weren't happy with the quality of production parts from suppliers so then the supplier had to retool, recertify in some cases and then ramp up production. Cars still got built and then these parts are being fitted at the batch and hold phase
 

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I was told by Ineos Australia people that there were a number of different components that were delayed, some because Ineos weren't happy with the quality of production parts from suppliers so then the supplier had to retool, recertify in some cases and then ramp up production. Cars still got built and then these parts are being fitted at the batch and hold phase

Justin Hocevar told me the same thing at the Hanging Rock drive.
 

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Same for me with planned extended travels into the northern Territory (e.g. Tanami Track), Simpson desert (West to East). Despite the best will in the world, sensors can and do fail. I've had a failed crank sensor (10,000km) and a (Bosch) oxygen sensor (5,000) let go. Highly unusual but it happened. The "Faultmate" (Blackbox solutions) was critical to being able to get sorted.
The Ineos "Flying Spanners" are unlikely to venture into the desert (unless it's a slow day at the office!)... I'd have thought that the ability to read Grenadier codes was part and parcel of the publicly advertised Ineos philosophy of not expecting their vehicles to see a major workshop for extended periods ...but they still need to be properly serviced albeit under a tarp strung between two trees!
Simpson Desert East to West is far more entertaining.
 
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