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It's no secret that the ability to change the default configuration allows the owner to set things up differently than he normally could.

Everyone knows that some are legal, others are not.

I will probably buy a Carli or something similar. But not because I necessarily want to change anything. Perhaps I will, perhaps I won't. But following Christian from LR Time, it's clear that a device to detect sensor problems, fault codes (which can block some functions until cleared) and information in general can massively help detect simple problems - like loose plugs, broken wires and the like, not to mention sensors that can often be replaced by tech-minded owners without risk.

Without an OBD device to "look inside" a car's electronics, you always have to go to a professional repair shop for even minor problems, often paying a few hundred bucks extra for something you could do yourself without risk.

And you need something that not only allows you to monitor the car, but also to program it, for example to clear a fault code that needs to be reset in order for a new sensor to be accepted by the system.

You don't have to be in a desert to consider buying such a device. It's an every day tool, a must have for the tech-minded owner of such a complex thing like a modern car.
 
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Question of interest from me though, is why would you need this to start with when you have a 5 year warranty on the vehicle UK based?
Has there been no conversation with Ineos with regard to the expectation that a certain percentage of owners will want to be spannering their own vehicles, to varying degrees, and not really be leaning on your tech services unless circumstances dictate?
 

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1312 ... the last 4 numbers of my VIN, therefore yes, reversed! >1000
Probably I am not VIN but VIP, whatever this means! ;)
Ah, yes definitely not a VIP if you're not in the triple digit club. 😜

Question is whether anyone on here is in the double digit or single digit club?

Maybe Ineos have parked the first batch up nose to tail & can't deliver the 1st ones because they've blocked them in. Delivery starting with the last of the first batch first and then working down the numbers?
 

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Has there been no conversation with Ineos with regard to the expectation that a certain percentage of owners will want to be spannering their own vehicles, to varying degrees, and not really be leaning on your tech services unless circumstances dictate?
We've had conversations with regards to the CAD system and so forth yes and I'm sure we will be having more conversations in time over it. The main priority right now is getting the vehicles out on the road and in customers hands.

In time I'm sure we will have instruction manuals and everything to help with maintaining the vehicle.
 

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Absolutely critical here in Australia you might be 2 days hard drive or more from any mechanic let alone one with Grenadier software. If you get a random code then being able to check if critical or ignorable or fixable is a lifesaver, even being able to use a sat phone to call a grenadier specialist and relay a code and get advice is important
That's why a built in one as an optional extra would have been my top "What is the one factory-installed option you wish was available on your Grenadier?"
 

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Ah, yes definitely not a VIP if you're not in the triple digit club. 😜

Question is whether anyone on here is in the double digit or single digit club?

Maybe Ineos have parked the first batch up nose to tail & can't deliver the 1st ones because they've blocked them in. Delivery starting with the last of the first batch first and then working down the numbers?
I gave up on the VIP idea ages ago. Bearing in mind I made my reservation just after midnight on the first day and paid my £450. Shortly after to be told by head of CS that I was at the head of the first 50 persons world wide. Also that INEO were using the reservation date and position in the queue for the delivery dates etc. Confirmed my spec for my Trialmaster (Britania blue) at the earliest opportunity and paid a further£2050, never altered my spec at all. Told Mine would be one of first to be delivered in October 22. Signed contract 7/11/22 and told Nov/Dec 22 delivery.
Since then I have been told so many different tales that it reminds me of some of the intransigent recidivists I have met, not only can they not remember the repeated tales they have told, they also do not care if they are not belived! I have not been in touch with INEOs directly since the last pack of untruths. Eventually it will be delivered to my drive way! My account never seems to change much and "in production" still showing after five weeks, bearing in mind they told me it was built in December! What a load of rubbish!
Rant over, good news is my wife, who has been angling for a Fiat 500, asked me today if she could keep the LandmarkDisco 4! Happy Days!
 

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Can we please remember that the Dealers / Agents that are providing information and advice here are doing so on their own time and free of charge, the thread title is batch and hold, not 'wheres my manual for the vehicle I don't even have yet'

The conversation is perfectly valid, and I'll see if I can get an answer out of anyone today

However, @Jean Mercier you should go toe to toe with your vending agent over the manuals for your car ;)
 

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Can we please remember that the Dealers / Agents that are providing information and advice here are doing so on their own time and free of charge, the thread title is batch and hold, not 'wheres my manual for the vehicle I don't even have yet'

The conversation is perfectly valid, and I'll see if I can get an answer out of anyone today

However, @Jean Mercier you should go toe to toe with your vending agent over the manuals for your car ;)
I agree Stu. I specifically only mentioned INEOS as that is where my problems have originated, not with mine or any other dealer/agent, as I believe these are kept in the dark just as much as we are.
 

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Can we please remember that the Dealers / Agents that are providing information and advice here are doing so on their own time and free of charge, the thread title is batch and hold, not 'wheres my manual for the vehicle I don't even have yet'

The conversation is perfectly valid, and I'll see if I can get an answer out of anyone today

However, @Jean Mercier you should go toe to toe with your vending agent over the manuals for your car ;)
@Jean Mercier - you’re a black belt, right?
 

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It's no secret that the ability to change the default configuration allows the owner to set things up differently than he normally could.

Everyone knows that some are legal, others are not.

I will probably buy a Carli or something similar. But not because I necessarily want to change anything. Perhaps I will, perhaps I won't. But following Christian from LR Time, it's clear that a device to detect sensor problems, fault codes (which can block some functions until cleared) and information in general can massively help detect simple problems - like loose plugs, broken wires and the like, not to mention sensors that can often be replaced by tech-minded owners without risk.

Without an OBD device to "look inside" a car's electronics, you always have to go to a professional repair shop for even minor problems, often paying a few hundred bucks extra for something you could do yourself without risk.

And you need something that not only allows you to monitor the car, but also to program it, for example to clear a fault code that needs to be reset in order for a new sensor to be accepted by the system.

You don't have to be in a desert to consider buying such a device. It's an every day tool, a must have for the tech-minded owner of such a complex thing like a modern car.
Full ack. For me the availability of VCDS is one major reason to drive VW. And of course my first item I bought for my TD5 was a Nanocom.
 

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@Halliwell Jones Chester Please understand this is not a gripe at the Ineos agents/dealers. I also recognise and understand that they have dug deep into their own pockets on the promise of future business. On that basis, it's fair that there are some "barriers to entry" (e.g. agent specific diagnostic capability) so that they are able to protect a fledgling business base from competition from the franchised service chains... I'm hoping sincerely that if/when the inevitable sensor fails in accord with Sod's law, there will be reasonable info available to at least afford some degree of confidence in the correct repair/replacement, to avoid replacing countless parts in the hope that one might be the correct one....as many have found to their cost and disappointment elsewhere...
that being said, "herd learning" is a powerful development tool and this forum will very quickly, I believe, establish itself as the 'book of knowledge' on all things Grenadier!:D(y)
Agree to most of what you say. However, I think it's as well important to understand that most of the enthusiasts here bought (or better: will eventually be able to buy at some point in time...) a package, containing a vehicle but also a philosophy regarding maintenance/repair that was clearly conveyed by Ineos during long time and therefore is to be considered an integral part of the deal.

I bet it will increase the whole Grenadier business rather than impair it if they would decide to make their promises come true.
 

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anyone who changes their Grenadier engine oil and filter will need to re set the service reminder as I understand. When changing oil and filters on the Defender I would use the OBD2 to reset the service reminder.
 
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However, @Jean Mercier you should go toe to toe with your vending agent over the manuals for your car ;)
@Jean Mercier - you’re a black belt, right?
I did ask already twice verbally, and once by e-mail to have access to the manuals. I always get the same answer: we'll ask Ineos! :cry:
I am black belt, yes, 2nd dan, judo, and am only allowed to use my knowledge outside the tatami in self-defense 🥋 ... but anyway when you are 66 and the two dealer guys in charge of the Grenadier are around 45 and 30 ... two younger guys against an elder one, better run away than risk a fight :oops:
 

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I did ask already twice verbally, and once by e-mail to have access to the manuals. I always get the same answer: we'll ask Ineos! :cry:
I am black belt, yes, 2nd dan, judo, and am only allowed to use my knowledge outside the tatami in self-defense 🥋 ... but anyway when you are 66 and the two dealer guys in charge of the Grenadier are around 45 and 30 ... two younger guys against an elder one, better run away than risk a fight :oops:
Also Judo and Jiu Jitsu are not really designed to fight multiple people at once.
They can be of course but not really designed for it
Judo is probably better than Jiu Jitsu particularly Brazilian JJ
 

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Can we please remember that the Dealers / Agents that are providing information and advice here are doing so on their own time and free of charge, the thread title is batch and hold, not 'wheres my manual for the vehicle I don't even have yet'
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the only person mentioning a manual an Agent?
 
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