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[Jean Mercier]

I could have sworn those numbers were reversed..

1312 ... the last 4 numbers of my VIN, therefore yes, reversed! >1000
Probably I am not VIN but VIP, whatever this means!

 

[grenadierboy]

I am amazed by the incredible financial strength of Ineos. After the colossal investment, not putting even one of the 1,000 cars already built up for sale is an incredible act of force. I just hope that such seriousness will pay off and not end up being a problem. The trend, especially in Europe, towards electric cars etc, risks with each passing day of making the life of a new car with an internal combustion engine difficult... I understand that even the spread of news about problems would make the operation even more difficult, but I think the time has come to leave the floor to the owners too...

INEOS have produced much much more than 1,000 line series cars.

Remember, LS production started 17 October 2022 - that's around 18 weeks of production at, say, an average of 35 per day cars a day, meaning around LS 3,000 cars produced to date.

2 weeks ago Justin Hocevars indicated as much, that current LS production was now around 70 cars a day.

 

[Wayneos]

1312 ... the last 4 numbers of my VIN, therefore yes, reversed! >1000
Probably I am not VIN but VIP, whatever this means!

I thought it was 30 visits and only 3 minutes away! Hence reversed

 

[DCPU]

000869 are the last digits if that means anything to you ?

Thanks ~ just trying to get a feel for the volume produced, if this part of the VIN/VIS is truely sequential:

VIN (Vehicle Identification Number)

A take off from this thread: https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/december-builds.12410766/#post-1333139583 And the "first" known customer VIN: Interesting that the VIN number I have is slightly different: SC6GN2DB2PFxxxxxx ive added the x’s to hide the actual production number, but it’s in...

www.theineosforum.com

 

[DCPU]

INEOS have produced much much more than 1,000 line series cars.

Remember, LS production started 17 October 2022 - that's around 18 weeks of production at, say, an average of 35 per day cars a day, meaning around LS 3,000 cars produced to date.

2 weeks ago Justin Hocevars indicated as much, that current LS production was now around 70 cars a day.

I guess it depends on how steeply they were able to ramp up, and also if there were complete shutdowns between successive batches, presumably whilst QA investigated and any issues were identified and fed back to the line or elsewhere?

 

[Halliwell Jones Chester]

Thanks Steve. Any idea what type of diagnostic tool the owners can use for code reading etc. Will be wanting to purchase one from the off.

The diagnostic software is specific to Grenadier and currently restricted to authorised repairers only, but no doubt in time the aftermarket will produce multi-diag software to read Grenadier codes.

Question of interest from me though, is why would you need this to start with when you have a 5 year warranty on the vehicle UK based?

 

[Cheshire cat]

The diagnostic software is specific to Grenadier and currently restricted to authorised repairers only, but no doubt in time the aftermarket will produce multi-diag software to read Grenadier codes.

Question of interest from me though, is why would you need this to start with when you have a 5 year warranty on the vehicle UK based?

I would imagine that those in the likes of Aus' and SA, doing long journeys through uninhabited areas might find the diagnostic tools more helpful than those of us in UK. That said I do have my own (cheap) reader as I like to have some idea as to the problem prior to visiting the dealer.

 

[Tazzieman]

The diagnostic software is specific to Grenadier and currently restricted to authorised repairers only, but no doubt in time the aftermarket will produce multi-diag software to read Grenadier codes.

Question of interest from me though, is why would you need this to start with when you have a 5 year warranty on the vehicle UK based?

Stuck in a desert, or desolate ravine somewhere, you might need some clues!

 

[Halliwell Jones Chester]

Stuck in a desert, or desolate ravine somewhere, you might need some clues!

See your point, I'm sure it will come in time.

 

[ECrider]

The diagnostic software is specific to Grenadier and currently restricted to authorised repairers only, but no doubt in time the aftermarket will produce multi-diag software to read Grenadier codes.

Question of interest from me though, is why would you need this to start with when you have a 5 year warranty on the vehicle UK based?

Because I like to know what is going on under the hood and self-diagnose and repair where feasible. It's also for convenience as well, I do not wish to be taking my car for a min 2hr round trip to reset some codes or diagnose a problem when I could do that from the comfort of my own garage.

Having had/have Land Rovers has taught me the value of code readers.

 

[Logsplitter]

The diagnostic software is specific to Grenadier and currently restricted to authorised repairers only, but no doubt in time the aftermarket will produce multi-diag software to read Grenadier codes.

Question of interest from me though, is why would you need this to start with when you have a 5 year warranty on the vehicle UK based?

I would like to be able to re set service reminders when I change the oil and filters myself and other items like replacing brake pads myself if there is a sensor or fault code to be re set for such things. I intend on remote travels through Southern Africa later this year if my Grenadier arrives soon.

 

[globalgregors]

The diagnostic software is specific to Grenadier and currently restricted to authorised repairers only, but no doubt in time the aftermarket will produce multi-diag software to read Grenadier codes.

Question of interest from me though, is why would you need this to start with when you have a 5 year warranty on the vehicle UK based?

One might have, for example, stuck it in a 20’ container and sent it to Port of Valparaíso...

 

[DenisM]

I would like to be able to re set service reminders when I change the oil and filters myself and other items like replacing brake pads myself if there is a sensor or fault code to be re set for such things. I intend on remote travels through Southern Africa later this year if my Grenadier arrives soon.

Same for me with planned extended travels into the northern Territory (e.g. Tanami Track), Simpson desert (West to East). Despite the best will in the world, sensors can and do fail. I've had a failed crank sensor (10,000km) and a (Bosch) oxygen sensor (5,000) let go. Highly unusual but it happened. The "Faultmate" (Blackbox solutions) was critical to being able to get sorted.
The Ineos "Flying Spanners" are unlikely to venture into the desert (unless it's a slow day at the office!)... I'd have thought that the ability to read Grenadier codes was part and parcel of the publicly advertised Ineos philosophy of not expecting their vehicles to see a major workshop for extended periods ...but they still need to be properly serviced albeit under a tarp strung between two trees!

 

[DenisM]

The diagnostic software is specific to Grenadier and currently restricted to authorised repairers only, but no doubt in time the aftermarket will produce multi-diag software to read Grenadier codes.

Question of interest from me though, is why would you need this to start with when you have a 5 year warranty on the vehicle UK based

The question from Logsplitter is actually one of "principle" with broader implications foer those who live and travel in sparse areas.
As the young lady said to her dog "We're not in Kansas now Toto..." It's a big world out there ...! "Roadside assist" in outback Australia for example, has been known to take the form of a light plane carrying vital spares landing on an outback track, three or four days after a sat phone call ... or a generous road train truckie stopping "in the middle of nowhere" delivering spares he's collected from a far flung cattle station... somewhat disappointing when the wrong spares arrive for want of reliable diagnostics....

 

[TD5-90]

The diagnostic software is specific to Grenadier and currently restricted to authorised repairers only, but no doubt in time the aftermarket will produce multi-diag software to read Grenadier codes.

Question of interest from me though, is why would you need this to start with when you have a 5 year warranty on the vehicle UK based?

My personal answer:
Just to fulfill what Ineos have boasted from the beginning: Making owners able to fix their vehicles themselves and give them all the necessary support to do that. In my view, it should be a personal decision of the owner what he prefers, being "pampered" by any warranty or taking (at least part of) the responsibility from the beginning.
And if I'm not totally wrong, the average Grenadier buyer will have larger technical knowledge and experience than , e.g., an average buyer of an asian ev or hybrid. The value of the knowledge of a community like this shouldn't be underestimated even by a most experienced dealer (which, in general, doesn't automatically make a most experienced workshop from what I have experienced...)

Again, just my opinion, no offence intended!

 

[Halliwell Jones Chester]

My personal answer:
Just to fulfill what Ineos have boasted from the beginning: Making owners able to fix their vehicles themselves and give them all the necessary support to do that. In my view, it should be a personal decision of the owner what he prefers, being "pampered" by any warranty or taking (at least part of) the responsibility from the beginning.
And if I'm not totally wrong, the average Grenadier buyer will have larger technical knowledge and experience than , e.g., an average buyer of an asian ev or hybrid. The value of the knowledge of a community like this shouldn't be underestimated even by a most experienced dealer (which, in general, doesn't automatically make a most experienced workshop from what I have experienced...)

Again, just my opinion, no offence intended!

Absolutely no offence taken, I was just curious that's all.

 

[CountyV8]

Absolutely no offence taken, I was just curious that's all.

I think that there is a general distrust of dealers from the type of people that have purchased Grenadiers .
Over the years we have had consistently bad service (insert what ever dealers name here) just personal experience over the years here, they just don't seem to care about the work they carry out will I trust them perhaps not.

 

[Krabby]

I think that there is a general distrust of dealers from the type of people that have purchased Grenadiers .
Over the years we have had consistently bad service (insert what ever dealers name here) just personal experience over the years here, they just don't seem to care about the work they carry out will I trust them perhaps not.

Might be the truest words ever posted to this entire forum!

 

[AnD3rew]

See your point, I'm sure it will come in time.

Absolutely critical here in Australia you might be 2 days hard drive or more from any mechanic let alone one with Grenadier software. If you get a random code then being able to check if critical or ignorable or fixable is a lifesaver, even being able to use a sat phone to call a grenadier specialist and relay a code and get advice is important

 

[DenisM]

@Halliwell Jones Chester Please understand this is not a gripe at the Ineos agents/dealers. I also recognise and understand that they have dug deep into their own pockets on the promise of future business. On that basis, it's fair that there are some "barriers to entry" (e.g. agent specific diagnostic capability) so that they are able to protect a fledgling business base from competition from the franchised service chains... I'm hoping sincerely that if/when the inevitable sensor fails in accord with Sod's law, there will be reasonable info available to at least afford some degree of confidence in the correct repair/replacement, to avoid replacing countless parts in the hope that one might be the correct one....as many have found to their cost and disappointment elsewhere...
that being said, "herd learning" is a powerful development tool and this forum will very quickly, I believe, establish itself as the 'book of knowledge' on all things Grenadier!