Steering and Poor Stability

NoMoTaco said:

Im sure my anecdotal theory is about to be blasted and debunked, but if I may...

My steering wheel was off to the LEFT from factory, I had an alignment done (due to statements on here regarding many out of spec vehicles from factory) as well as my steering wheel angle corrected. And though it is better, there is still the slightest LEFTward orientation while driving.

I am noticing that several of those located in RHD vehicles (Left lane travel countries) are experiencing slight RIGHTward orientation of their steering wheel.

I am curious how much the crown of the road and the recirculating ball steering system are playing into this? Meaning that the slight bit of play in the steering due to its lack of precision and the slight pitch of the road from crown (Coupled with this red indicator on the wheel) might cause us to notice the wheel being "off"

I tested this by doing two thing:
-On a straight length of road with no oncoming traffic I went into the opposite lane traveling at about 50 mph, and boom, I was slightly to the RIGHT
-Went to a large open parking lot, and though I couldn't achieve high speed, seemed to be able to go dead straight with red line at 12 o'clock

Thoughts...?

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[ Adam ] said:

No idea on why they went with a TWO spoke design, but I sure wish I could disable the microphone button.

As a left-handed driver, I seem to be hitting that button all the time when making large turns.

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bobbyray1969 said:

I'm in the UK. My vehicle is four months old. I was expecting to have to get used to the steering system from all the reviews. The stability at anything over 60mph feels unstable, but I thought it was just a characteristic and got used to driving slower, especially on motorways. I've got a loan car as mine is in for the software update and a few other things. The loaner stability is much better than mine, and it felt okay even at 80 miles per hour. My steering feels to have a bit more play when turning, and the loan car feels much more directional and safe. I'm waiting for the dealer to return, but I am worried that they will say nothing is wrong, and I have to live with it. Any thought on possible problems?

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101turbogas said:

you can get a damper from OME that fits and works far better. It just needs an adapter bush making for one end.

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NoMoTaco said:

Im sure my anecdotal theory is about to be blasted and debunked, but if I may...

My steering wheel was off to the LEFT from factory, I had an alignment done (due to statements on here regarding many out of spec vehicles from factory) as well as my steering wheel angle corrected. And though it is better, there is still the slightest LEFTward orientation while driving.

I am noticing that several of those located in RHD vehicles (Left lane travel countries) are experiencing slight RIGHTward orientation of their steering wheel.

I am curious how much the crown of the road and the recirculating ball steering system are playing into this? Meaning that the slight bit of play in the steering due to its lack of precision and the slight pitch of the road from crown (Coupled with this red indicator on the wheel) might cause us to notice the wheel being "off"

I tested this by doing two thing:
-On a straight length of road with no oncoming traffic I went into the opposite lane traveling at about 50 mph, and boom, I was slightly to the RIGHT
-Went to a large open parking lot, and though I couldn't achieve high speed, seemed to be able to go dead straight with red line at 12 o'clock

Thoughts...?

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Catpaw4x4 said:

Exactly the same issue here!

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101turbogas said:

Hi Bobbyray, mine was exactly the same. At 1000miles it did get better due to all the joints loosening slightly. But I was still not happy with stability at speed and lack of steering returning to center. I removed the steering damper and what a difference. The OE damper is far to heavy duty for a road car. It looks like it came off a heavy tractor.. With the damper removed the steering is lighter and returns to center. It is also much more stable at speed.
I was concerned that without a damper fitted it may get into a wobble at speed. So I did some searching and found that you can get a damper from OME that fits and works far better. It just needs an adapter bush making for one end. I have now done another 1000miles with the OME damper fitted.
I was at the point of returning the car to the dealer as I found it dangerous to drive at speed and my wife refused to drive it again. But now I love it and am really glad I stuck with it and fitted the OME damper. it is a totally different car now and even my wife enjoys driving it. Its now the way INEOS should have delivered them to customers.

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Norb-TX said:

but its one of the causes of power induced pull on the steering. How many have the vibrating engine and the poor steering? Just thinking out loud here.

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Norb-TX said:

There was mention of bad motor mounts, my car vibrates when stopped in gear with brakes on, I don't mind it as it reminds me of the European cars I grew up on, but its one of the causes of power induced pull on the steering. How many have the vibrating engine and the poor steering? Just thinking out loud here.

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DaveB said:

That's how recirculating ball steering works.
There is inherently a very small gap between the balls and as you turn this gap has to be taken up as the balls push each other around.
Then they have to work the various gears and linkages.
What does it matter if you have an inch of movement in the steering when you are parked?



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Catpaw4x4 said:

It's an inch of moment (movement with no response) when at speed. I have no worry when at stop. My 96 Discovery has some movement. The G is in excess of the Discovery. Do appreciate the diagram and explanation though - always interested in learning and this Forum is great for that opportunity! Cheers!

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NoMoTaco said:

Forgive my ignorance...how does that work against the steering if its only experienced at idle?

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Skydance said:

I’ve heard many people having the harsh vibrating during idle, between 1800 rpm and 2000 rpm and also when going up really steep hills under load. During idle, it reminds me sitting in an old bus. Mines a diesel and at idle, it vibrates the passenger side glove box which is very annoying. This is the biggest downside of this truck, alongside the footrest and steering lock to lock.

Did 3 hours driving and I’m shattered. I have a Suzuki Jimny (albeit it is slow), it has a much smoother relaxed ride and much quieter NVH. I’ve been adding felt pads and rubber pads on the dashboard to make improvements as I really want to keep the car. But in the end, the vibration is too strong for the felt pads. Been told on this forum it is due to gearing.

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101turbogas said:

Hi Bobbyray, mine was exactly the same. At 1000miles it did get better due to all the joints loosening slightly. But I was still not happy with stability at speed and lack of steering returning to center. I removed the steering damper and what a difference. The OE damper is far to heavy duty for a road car. It looks like it came off a heavy tractor.. With the damper removed the steering is lighter and returns to center. It is also much more stable at speed.
I was concerned that without a damper fitted it may get into a wobble at speed. So I did some searching and found that you can get a damper from OME that fits and works far better. It just needs an adapter bush making for one end. I have now done another 1000miles with the OME damper fitted.
I was at the point of returning the car to the dealer as I found it dangerous to drive at speed and my wife refused to drive it again. But now I love it and am really glad I stuck with it and fitted the OME damper. it is a totally different car now and even my wife enjoys driving it. Its now the way INEOS should have delivered them to customers.

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