Wet feet

Greg · Sep 12, 2023

DCPU said:
If you can't fix it, double down and call it a "design feature" then.

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muxmax · Sep 13, 2023

First day of rain and I am now a member of the WFC. Or rather the passenger to my right would have been if there had been one this morning. We had some rain this night, not much really, and I drove through the rain to work. Apparently that was enough for the optional cistern to fill up and release a fair amount of water when I opened the passenger door. Will report that to the dealer and ask him to have it fixed when the car is in for the update. They are currently testing it on their demo vehicles.

DCPU · Sep 13, 2023

muxmax said:
Will report that to the dealer and ask him to have it fixed when the car is in for the update.

I'd be asking him if there's an Ineos fix first. An enthusiastic workshop apprentice let loose adjusting a door that doesn't seal properly does not fill me with confidence that more damage than good can come from it.

I think there's enough anecdotal evidence on the forum and elsewhere to suggest that there's a design issue rather than an installation issue.

If it is indeed a latent defect, then we all should have it, not just those that have actually experienced it.

This is only worth noting as most major manufacturers usually start their TSBs with words along the line of: "If the customer expresses a concern that...", i. e., if you don't mention it to them, then they won't fix a fault they know you have.

muxmax · Sep 13, 2023

DCPU said:
I'd be asking him if there's an Ineos fix first. An enthusiastic workshop apprentice let loose adjusting a door that doesn't seal properly does not fill me with confidence that more damage than good can come from it.

I think there's enough anecdotal evidence on the forum and elsewhere to suggest that there's a design issue rather than an installation issue.

If it is indeed a latent defect, then we all should have it, not just those that have actually experienced it.

This is only worth noting as most major manufacturers usually start their TSBs with words along the line of: "If the customer expresses a concern that...", i. e., if you don't mention it to them, then they won't fix a fault they know you have.

Thank you for the advice. I have already asked the dealer if they had a procedure for that. Judging from what I read and from my own experience I don't think that this is a design problem, If it were, then we would read even more about it because really everyone would have the same problem. It also would in my case not only occur on one door, I would assume. Let's see. I'll keep you posted about the dealer's response.

muxmax · Sep 13, 2023

DCPU said:
I'd be asking him if there's an Ineos fix first. An enthusiastic workshop apprentice let loose adjusting a door that doesn't seal properly does not fill me with confidence that more damage than good can come from it.

I think there's enough anecdotal evidence on the forum and elsewhere to suggest that there's a design issue rather than an installation issue.

If it is indeed a latent defect, then we all should have it, not just those that have actually experienced it.

This is only worth noting as most major manufacturers usually start their TSBs with words along the line of: "If the customer expresses a concern that...", i. e., if you don't mention it to them, then they won't fix a fault they know you have.

I already have a response from my dealer (thanks to them for being so quick): The problem is known to IA and apparently it is a problem with the design/quality of the door seals. There will be a "recall" to replace them, dealers are waiting for approval from IA (I assume a confirmation that IA covers the installation costs).

bemax · Sep 14, 2023

As proposed from someone earlier in this thread I did purchase this small hose to push within the outer seal (just pushing it in the free room, no cutting needed)
Since then no water ingress noticable.

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RYAustralia · Sep 17, 2023

Wife has had wet shoes and wet handbag she was especially upset at the handbag. Water is coming from inside centre console by her leg and dripping from next to air vent and pooling in footwell. See pictures attached. Only the passenger side. Not on drivers side.

rovie · Sep 17, 2023

RYAustralia said:
Wife has had wet shoes and wet handbag she was especially upset at the handbag. Water is coming from inside centre console by her leg and dripping from next to air vent and pooling in footwell. See pictures attached. Only the passenger side. Not on drivers side.

This matches my experience, I must have posted my statement in the wrong thread. In our case, it is definitely not coolant.

Coolant leak into left front footwell

I've just spotted green coolant dripping down into the passenger (left) footwell. I've lifted the floor covering and there is a bit of a pool there. Anyone else had this issue and know what is causing it? I'm guessing heater matrix, but I hope it's something simple like a hose clamp and not the...

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Simon C · Sep 22, 2023

My agent had it confirmed from Ineos today that modified door seals are the solution but they are of course on back order. In the meantime I have been advised to cut a slit in the bottom of the door seal to prevent it overtopping into the footwell during heavy rain (see my earlier post about how much water was under my flooring).

Guess I won't be doing any wading for a while!

Jiman01 · Sep 22, 2023

I wonder if you taped a 3-sided flap in the slit, it would be like a chest seal, letting water out from above but not in from the bottom

emax · Sep 22, 2023

What is a "chest seal"? How does it look?

German translation doesn't help.

Any photos? Links?

Tazzieman · Sep 23, 2023

emax said:
What is a "chest seal"? How does it look?

German translation doesn't help.

Any photos? Links?

Maybe something like this?
And google pneumothorax , thoracic drain etc

Jiman01 · Sep 23, 2023

emax said:
What is a "chest seal"? How does it look?

German translation doesn't help.

Any photos? Links?

Chest seal is a 3-sided cover for a penetrating wound to the chest. It keeps air from going into the hole but allows air to escape the chest cavity. It’s basically a 3-sided one way flap.

Sorry, it was the first thing that came to mind when talking about something that allows fluids/air in from only one direction

I was a medic in a previous life.

This is an improvised seal made from a plastic bag.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIDEQM1xoZY

I‘m not sure how well his explanation will translate but hopefully you get the idea.

emax · Sep 23, 2023

I now understand what it is and how it works.

But I have still no idea what such a tape-mod would look like.

Sounds more like something fiddly for experts or surgeons ...

Jean Mercier · Sep 23, 2023

RYAustralia said:
Wife has had wet shoes and wet handbag she was especially upset at the handbag. Water is coming from inside centre console by her leg and dripping from next to air vent and pooling in footwell. See pictures attached. Only the passenger side. Not on drivers side.

This is according to my experience most probably coming from a leak of the inner seals of the safari windows, I posted some pictures concerning this problem

Scan4 · Sep 23, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
This is according to my experience most probably coming from a leak of the inner seals of the safari windows, I posted some pictures concerning this problem

Did you solve the Problem with the Safari Windows Jean?

Jean Mercier · Sep 23, 2023

Scan4 said:
Did you solve the Problem with the Safari Windows Jean?

Yes and no: with the authorisation of my dealer I did put some Sikalastomer on the rubbers sealings of the safari windows, and one rubber was replaced at my dealer and apparently it solved the problem. But today I discovered some humidity in the back of the car, close to the jack to lift up the car, so wondering if this isn't coming from the same leak.

Shaky · Sep 23, 2023

I will repeat something I brought up in the early days of this thread as it is becoming more time critical for us Europeans.

They need to sort these new seals out quickly, when winter gets here imagine trying to open the door when all that water is frozen solid.

We are talking possibly 4-5 weeks before some decent frosts appear and I heard someone on the telly box saying we were due for a bad winter in the UK, which would probably equate to a mild one in Germany

That will be an interesting frosty morning !!

Scan4 · Sep 23, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
Yes and no: with the authorisation of my dealer I did put some Sikalastomer on the rubbers sealings of the safari windows, and one rubber was replaced at my dealer and apparently it solved the problem. But today I discovered some humidity in the back of the car, close to the jack to lift up the car, so wondering if this isn't coming from the same leak.

Thank you Jean , got. the Same Problem, Talk to my dealer.

RYAustralia · Sep 24, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
This is according to my experience most probably coming from a leak of the inner seals of the safari windows, I posted some pictures concerning this problem

Not raining here so not likely. I live in north Queensland and it’s dry season. Other than raining ash from bushfires there’s no water in the air!!!!

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