Winch

[MrMike]

It will be interesting to see how Ineos have set up the second battery with the winch. Wondering if it draws from the primary start battery or both when winching. IG has a Ctek Smart Pass which works as a VSR for the Aux battery.

 

[DCPU]

Just looked at the Hard way home guy Ingmar's video on the winch seems you have to have the engine running .
This means if the engine won't work for some reason you can't winch yourself out of trouble all my winches have been independent of the engine.
What are the forums thoughts?

If I had to guess then is the engine running to get the auto box in neutral/forward/reverse.

With engine off then the gearbox will default into park?

He mentions 18m of rope, elsewhere I've read both 14m and 13m.

Safety note: please don't hook your finger in the loop when spooling in, especially that close to the fairlead.

 

[CountyV8]

I think that the parking pawl may be damaged if winching with the transmission in P .

A second on " don't hook your finger in the loop when spooling in" use a handsomer hook I know it's a synthetic rope but .

 

[DCPU]

It will be interesting to see how Ineos have set up the second battery with the winch. Wondering if it draws from the primary start battery or both when winching. IG has a Ctek Smart Pass which works as a VSR for the Aux battery.

I've yet to learn the fine detail of the CTEK Smartpass but it seems mostly there to protect/serve much lower power rated "critical equipment from non-critical equipment ensuring that radio, emergency lights and navigation systems always have power".

Also the 350 amps it headlines is for 10 seconds. Not sure that's really suited for the duty cycle of the winch?

 

[MrMike]

I've yet to learn the fine detail of the CTEK Smartpass but it seems mostly there to protect/serve much lower power rated "critical equipment from non-critical equipment ensuring that radio, emergency lights and navigation systems always have power".

Also the 350 amps it headlines is for 10 seconds. Not sure that's really suited for the duty cycle of the winch?

I read that also, I'm assuming it's just like a DCDC charger with inbuilt VSR, so winching from the main battery.

 

[MrMike]

If I had to guess then is the engine running to get the auto box in neutral/forward/reverse.

With engine off then the gearbox will default into park?

He mentions 18m of rope, elsewhere I've read both 14m and 13m.

Safety note: please don't hook your finger in the loop when spooling in, especially that close to the fairlead.

Looks like my first "accessory" is going to be either 25m of winch rope or an extension strap. Mind you, I've never used all of the 25M of cable I have now

 

[Ingemar]

Hello Guys!
I created the video and did have a look at the "engine running" issue.
Officially the Winch works only with the engine running since the Gearbox has to be in N/D/R - otherwise the winch is not powered. The moment you switch of the engine, the transmission jumps to P.
There is a workaround: the so called "car wash mode". If you put the transmission to N and switch off the engine and immediately turn the ignition back on, the Gearbox will stay in N. Then you can power the winch and use it.

 

[DCPU]

Hello Guys!
I created the video and did have a look at the "engine running" issue.

Can you confirm the length of rope on the winch ~ you mention 18(?)m in the video but others have indicated much less?

 

[ECrider]

he transmission jumps to P.

Hi Ingemar and welcome to the forum. My question will be one of many for you from this hallowed website so if you get the time to investigate and reply then thank you very much, if not then I'll understand.

My concern is the automatic switching from D/R/N into P - specifically when opening the driver's door.
Circumstances; Opening door
1) Stationary when in N/D/R - any jump into P?
2) Crawling in D/R - any jump into P?
3) Stationary or Crawling in D/R but with 'Off-Road' button engaged - any jump into P

all the best and tks for the YouTube films

 

[AnD3rew]

Hello Guys!
I created the video and did have a look at the "engine running" issue.
Officially the Winch works only with the engine running since the Gearbox has to be in N/D/R - otherwise the winch is not powered. The moment you switch of the engine, the transmission jumps to P.
There is a workaround: the so called "car wash mode". If you put the transmission to N and switch off the engine and immediately turn the ignition back on, the Gearbox will stay in N. Then you can power the winch and use it.

That’s a cool tip. Welcome Ingemar

 

[Ingemar]

Can you confirm the length of rope on the winch ~ you mention 18(?)m in the video but others have indicated much less?

I've been told 18m during the introduction to the car. Let me check and I will come back to you...

 

[Ingemar]

Can you confirm the length of rope on the winch ~ you mention 18(?)m in the video but others have indicated much less?

I just checked. up to the red mark you got 10.5m! then there is one layer on the spool left...
So an extension or a longer rope will be required.

 

[Ingemar]

Hi Ingemar and welcome to the forum. My question will be one of many for you from this hallowed website so if you get the time to investigate and reply then thank you very much, if not then I'll understand.

My concern is the automatic switching from D/R/N into P - specifically when opening the driver's door.
Circumstances; Opening door
1) Stationary when in N/D/R - any jump into P?
2) Crawling in D/R - any jump into P?
3) Stationary or Crawling in D/R but with 'Off-Road' button engaged - any jump into P

all the best and tks for the YouTube films

I did several tests today. The car lets you drive with the door open as long as you wear your seat belt. When the door is open AND the seat belt off, then you can't get moving and the transmission jumps to "P".
If you are already moving, the door is open and you take the seatbelt off (or the other way around) then the car still keeps moving (no jump to "P" - even at 1km/h). Once you stop and lift you foot off the brake again, then the transmission jumps tp "P".

1) Stationary when in N/D/R - any jump into P?
No! Opening the door has no effect.
When you take off your seatbelt AND the door is open AND take the foot off the brake, then the transmission goes to "P".

2) Crawling in D/R - any jump into P?
No! opening the door and removing the seatbelt has no effect.

3) Stationary or Crawling in D/R but with 'Off-Road' button engaged - any jump into P?
The off-road mode doesn't change the logic of the system. The only thing that changes in that circumstance: you don't get a warning when taking off the seatbelt.

Summary:
- You can start moving with the door open OR the seat belt off
- when stationary in D/N/R: door open AND seat belt off AND foot taken off the brake ---> transmission jumps to "P"
- no jump to "P" in any case when moving


Hope that explanation is clear enough.

Greetz, Ingemar

 

[ECrider]

I did several tests today. The car lets you drive with the door open as long as you wear your seat belt. When the door is open AND the seat belt off, then you can't get moving and the transmission jumps to "P".
If you are already moving, the door is open and you take the seatbelt off (or the other way around) then the car still keeps moving (no jump to "P" - even at 1km/h). Once you stop and lift you foot off the brake again, then the transmission jumps tp "P".

1) Stationary when in N/D/R - any jump into P?
No! Opening the door has no effect.
When you take off your seatbelt AND the door is open AND take the foot off the brake, then the transmission goes to "P".

2) Crawling in D/R - any jump into P?
No! opening the door and removing the seatbelt has no effect.

3) Stationary or Crawling in D/R but with 'Off-Road' button engaged - any jump into P?
The off-road mode doesn't change the logic of the system. The only thing that changes in that circumstance: you don't get a warning when taking off the seatbelt.

Summary:
- You can start moving with the door open OR the seat belt off
- when stationary in D/N/R: door open AND seat belt off AND foot taken off the brake ---> transmission jumps to "P"
- no jump to "P" in any case when moving


Hope that explanation is clear enough.

Greetz, Ingemar

Excellent summary Ingemar. Tiptop!!

Thank you

 

[Jean Mercier]

I did several tests today. The car lets you drive with the door open as long as you wear your seat belt. When the door is open AND the seat belt off, then you can't get moving and the transmission jumps to "P".
If you are already moving, the door is open and you take the seatbelt off (or the other way around) then the car still keeps moving (no jump to "P" - even at 1km/h). Once you stop and lift you foot off the brake again, then the transmission jumps tp "P".

1) Stationary when in N/D/R - any jump into P?
No! Opening the door has no effect.
When you take off your seatbelt AND the door is open AND take the foot off the brake, then the transmission goes to "P".

2) Crawling in D/R - any jump into P?
No! opening the door and removing the seatbelt has no effect.

3) Stationary or Crawling in D/R but with 'Off-Road' button engaged - any jump into P?
The off-road mode doesn't change the logic of the system. The only thing that changes in that circumstance: you don't get a warning when taking off the seatbelt.

Summary:
- You can start moving with the door open OR the seat belt off
- when stationary in D/N/R: door open AND seat belt off AND foot taken off the brake ---> transmission jumps to "P"
- no jump to "P" in any case when moving


Hope that explanation is clear enough.

Greetz, Ingemar

@Ingemar : Clearly a pilot, engineer, maintenance technician, or something like that ...
With due respect for all the other non-technical professions!

 

[DCPU]

I just checked. up to the red mark you got 10.5m! then there is one layer on the spool left...
So an extension or a longer rope will be required.

Brilliant ~ actual facts. That's quite some difference. Thanks for doing that.

PS ~ have Ineos told you not to use it?

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/p04-23-winch-owners-manual-27-04-2023.12411921/

 

[Ingemar]

Brilliant ~ actual facts. That's quite some difference. Thanks for doing that.

PS ~ have Ineos told you not to use it?

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/p04-23-winch-owners-manual-27-04-2023.12411921/

nope - no restrictions mentioned! I haven't got the manual yet (told me they are still working on it) but I got an introduction by the guys in Morocco.

 

[ADVAW8S]

@Ingemar : Clearly a pilot, engineer, maintenance technician, or something like that ...
With due respect for all the other non-technical professions!

@Jean Mercier Me smash rocks

 

[Beowulf]

I’m trying to wrap my head around the fact that there is only 10.5m of rope with a single wrap on the drum remaining.

That is insanely short. Almost unusable without an extension.

 

[AnD3rew]

I’m trying to wrap my head around the fact that there is only 10.5m of rope with a single wrap on the drum remaining.

That is insanely short. Almost unusable without an extension.

I have already bought a 20m extension and it and some soft shackles and a tree protector will be going in my lockable real wheel stowage compartment