What did you do with your Grenadier today?

[Max]

I joined up with the Land Rover Club lads at the Linville camp site and headed west to Blackbutt and ventured north west. The tracks are pretty well washed out and rocky, mainly granite and quartz but driveable with care...not for the faint hearted, when I was back at home I said to my wife that there was one time when I wanted to get out of the car, she laughed because once upon a time she would ask me to stop, jump out of the car and jump back in after that section.
There was twelve vehicles mainly Defenders, 2 Discos a Rangie and the Grenadier. The Grenadier show her willingness. We had a bush camp for the night and then brekky and the return trip...I was the rear end vehicle with rear locker engaged and a little apprehensive.
It was all but down hill on the trip in and very steep sections, I have not done this type of climbing for some time and a new vehicle but she found her feet and walked at good speed through stuff that I had not taken her before...brilliant. We had many stop and starts and one rescue, not much damage one snapped shocky and plenty bangs and bumps.

I proved one thing over the weekend that the side steps on the Gren protected the sills but not without scars...virtually full length on both sides...the driver side step is up 2cm up higher than the back at the front end and a little warp in the mounting bracket but not bad after the punishment. At one stage the step stopped the grenadier in her tracks after me driving close to a tree, I thought we would slide past it but it was the front curve of the step passenger's side that caught it...back up a fraction right turn and away we go, a little nervie thinking there would be a crease in the door but no.

I can hear you say why not the skids...if I keep this up there maybe a change

In one shot I climbed a hill and photographed to another across the way...the camp is down in the middle, pretty tuff country but lush at the camp site beside a creek

 

[ORSO]

New shoes:

 

[TCMColorado]

New shoes:

What is the tire size?

 

[ORSO]

The original 265/70/17

 

[Jeffrey]

I mounted the Agie OR handle and mounted a new ScanGauge III to it.

 

[Deleted member 9052558]

I mounted the Agie OR handle and mounted a new ScanGauge III to it.

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I have the Agile grab handle as well and was thinking of installing a scan gauge too. How did you attach it to the grab handle? Can you post a pick of the backside where it is attached?

 

[TCMColorado]

Using a Bluetooth OBD dongle combined with an app like OBD Fusion will basically provide the same functionality as the ScanGuage with it all displayed on the center screen via CarPlay. No separate display needed.

 

[Deleted member 9052558]

Using a Bluetooth OBD dongle combined with an app like OBD Fusion will basically provide the same functionality as the ScanGuage with it all displayed on the center screen via CarPlay. No separate display needed.

Pretty neat idea, but I’m old school and like to see all the data all the time like the scan gauge while I can also see the CarPlay on the center screen to see the music info (never listen to a radio, always playlists)……

 

[Michael H.]

I had a good day out last Sunday, joining a tag-along trip which included another Grenadier owner.

View: https://youtu.be/vAo-dX_cNUg?si=tAWvWW46j0xrRZSV

 

[Tazzieman]

Installed diff protectors and hid some spare fluids. Foam to stop chafe and rattle.

 

[TheDocAUS]

Installed diff protectors and hid some spare fluids. Foam to stop chafe and rattle.

Are those fluids in the 1/3 rear door?

 

[Tazzieman]

Are those fluids in the 1/3 rear door?

Sure are!

 

[NQ94]

Installed diff protectors and hid some spare fluids. Foam to stop chafe and rattle.

Expecting some coolant leaks. Most coolant stop leaks cause more trouble than it's worth in modern cooling systems.

 

[Tazzieman]

Expecting some coolant leaks. Most coolant stop leaks cause more trouble than it's worth in modern cooling systems.

It's for other people. I never have troubles ,; it's always the other guy. Good Samaritan am I

 

[Kilchoman]

What did I do today? Well last three weeks actually driving a tractor.
New windscreen due Saturday, stone from a Semi near Goondiwindi

 

[Braydo]

What did I do today? Well last three weeks actually driving a tractor.
New windscreen due Saturday, stone from a Semi near Goondiwindi

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4 months in and I copped this one last week. Getting replaced on Monday.

 

[Deleted member 9052558]

I don’t know if this is the right place to post this and if it is not, then admin please place wherever it needs to be. I just picked this thread as it’s one of the most followed and posted to that I know of.

Also, please do not get mad at the messenger. Some of you know me as a HUGE champion for this vehicle. I own two and waiting for the Quartermaster to come out to the USA to make it 3. I also just had a huge custom neon sign made to match my 1st Grenny that’s customized/modded out. So for me to type this post up is hard to do as much as I defend and love this vehicle. However, I am also 100% authentic and tell the truth and IF I am wrong on an issue we are debating, which would be very rare (I joke I joke I kid I kid), I will say I am wrong.

Ok enough with the prep talk! I am also not a patient man. So I have been contacting my dealership thru different contacts as well as another and even Ineos HQ. Finally I got an email from Ineos themselves stating if I had technical questions, to contact their tech team via 833-494-4748 (write down/save this number). Thus, just did so and s/w a very pleasant Mrs. Rossella. Here are the highlights, and make sure you’re sitting down as it may hurt you like it did me:

#1–there is NO software updates coming from Ineos to permanently disable the speed warning. Those are rumors from owners/dealers/etc she advised as Ineos cannot (or will not? ) remove that permanently as it is a safety issue. So we will have to continue to be bothered by the pesky sound, but honestly once you save the feature to your favs it’s literally two clicks less than 15seconds of work. Yes I 1000% agree we should be able to permanently disable, but that’s not coming from Ineos. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that one of the tune companies or the ones that you can plug into your OBD port and turn on/off functions like I can on my Tundra and BMW, will come out with one for the Grenadier. Have to keep your hopes up, right?!
#2-same thing goes for the service warning light. No plans to change it from only dealer can reset. Yes explained to her MANY owners like myself are hours away and have been told by the dealerships if we do the normal servicing on our own or with another shop and keep all receipts our warranty is still intact. She even confirmed that Ineos is aware of all of this, but that the reset warning will remain with the dealer for now (possible future change she couldn’t say).

So for #1 & #2 this will explain why we haven’t got any new software updates to eliminate those “issues”, as there is not one coming for those items. I knew I could of asked more, but just got hit in the face with bad news for the 1st time with my favorite vehicle of all time and if they fixed those issues I may have never bought another different brand car from here on out……well ok let’s not go too crazy!!! …by the way not done yet as we did talk for a while.

#3-they ARE working on a service manuals for owners/shops, finally some good news, then the bad….still no time frame on completion. Yes I agree this should have been made and available to all owners upon purchase. Let’s just hope it’s more sooner than later.

#4-service/repair centers nationwide is something she could not give me any info on, which surprised me a little bit. So are they not working on these or are deals being made that the technical staff aren’t aware of?

Anyone on here can do the exact same thing I did and call the number above. Then ask for their technical team. Maybe if they get enough calls and complaints about these issues and whatever else that needs to be brought up, then maybe things change?

Can’t believe this is my very first “negative” post on the Grenadier. I still love them and they are still my fav rides, but it’s like when you found out that your parents were actually Santa Clause. You still wanted the gifts but had a different view on how it all played out. Even with this little set back, I am still a “Grenadier Lifer”!

 

[anand]

#1–there is NO software updates coming from Ineos to permanently disable to speed warning. Those are rumors from owners/dealers/etc she advised as Ineos cannot (or will not? ) remove that permanently as it is a safety issue. So we will have to continue to be bothered by the pesky sound, but honestly once you save the feature to your favs it’s literally two clicks less than 15seconds of work. Yes I 1000% agree we should be able to permanently disable, but that’s not coming from Ineos. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that one of the tune companies or the ones that you can plug into your OBD port and turn on/off functions like I can on my Tundra and BMW, will come out with one for the Grenadier. Have to keep your hopes up, right?!
#2-same thing goes for the service warning light. No plans to change it from only dealer can reset. Yes explained to her MANY owners like myself are hours away and have been told by the dealerships if we do the normal servicing on our own or with another shop and keep all receipts our warranty is still intact. She even confirmed that Ineos is aware of all of this, but that the reset warning will remain with the dealer for now (possible future change she couldn’t say).

#3-they ARE working on a service manuals for owners/shops, finally some good news, then the bad….still no time frame on completion. Yes I agree this should have been made and available to all owners upon purchase. Let’s just hope it’s more sooner than later.

#4-service/repair centers nationwide is something she could not give me any info on, which surprised me a little bit. So are they not working on these or are deals being made that the technical staff aren’t aware of?

FWIW, you didn't actually speak to a technical team member, you spoke with a person responsible for fielding phone calls from the public. There is no direct line to the technical team for the lay person (as with all manufacturers), as those are not people intended to interface with customers.

These are the same things I've been saying since early Summer, but people always want to believe their dealers instead. As far as changing ADAS implementation, go over to the LC250 forums, plenty of people absolutely hate how their ADAS (SafetySense) works, and people complain about it, but no one is expecting or asking Toyota to change it, that's just how it is. Likewise, ADAS in the Grenadier works as intended by the manufacturer; is it annoying? Partially. But that's the way all vehicles will be required to operate in the coming years.

Service reset, again, it's working as intended, albeit less than ideal for those doing their own service. One easy fix is to have the dealer clear it and set the interval to much longer (I'm 97% sure there is a custom interval available) and not have to worry about it.

We all bought these vehicles knowing dealers would be hundreds of miles away, and with that purchase acknowledged the annoyances associated. On the plus side, the dealer network is expected to double between Nov 2023 and Nov 2025.

No independent service centers are in the works that I have heard any rumblings about, just the dealer network.

With that being said, they aren't going to announce dealer locations or markets until they are ready to go and open; especially not after the debacle with Kuhn in NorCal last year

 

[Deleted member 9052558]

FWIW, you didn't actually speak to a technical team member, you spoke with a person responsible for fielding phone calls from the public. There is no direct line to the technical team for the lay person (as with all manufacturers), as those are not people intended to interface with customers.

These are the same things I've been saying since early Summer, but people always want to believe their dealers instead. As far as changing ADAS implementation, go over to the LC250 forums, plenty of people absolutely hate how their ADAS (SafetySense) works, and people complain about it, but no one is expecting or asking Toyota to change it, that's just how it is. Likewise, ADAS in the Grenadier works as intended by the manufacturer; is it annoying? Partially. But that's the way all vehicles will be required to operate in the coming years.

Service reset, again, it's working as intended, albeit less than ideal for those doing their own service. One easy fix is to have the dealer clear it and set the interval to much longer (I'm 97% sure there is a custom interval available) and not have to worry about it.

We all bought these vehicles knowing dealers would be hundreds of miles away, and with that purchase acknowledged the annoyances associated. On the plus side, the dealer network is expected to double between Nov 2023 and Nov 2025.

No independent service centers are in the works that I have heard any rumblings about, just the dealer network.

With that being said, they aren't going to announce dealer locations or markets until they are ready to go and open; especially not after the debacle with Kuhn in NorCal last year

I really would love a dealership in Louisiana (Baton Rouge and New Orleans are huge car markets), so will keep the ole fingers crossed.

Btw, I guess she lied to me as she clearly answered when the call went to her “Hello this is Mrs. Rossella with the technical team how can I help you”. maybe one of you really smart guys on here can call her up and ask her some real tech questions to see if she really is (I’m not smart enough for that, see I’m honest ).

I also agree we all purchased these vehicles with the known sound/ADAS issues, but to be fair and again coming from a huge pro Grenadier guy, many dealers are telling buyers about future software updates coming down the road to fix some of that, which now we know is not happening. So that could have affected some people buying, not me I was all in and still am btw. This was just a little bump in the road. Luckily the Grenny’s are built just that thing (bumps,trails, rocks).

 

[CRH]

I really would love a dealership in Louisiana (Baton Rouge and New Orleans are huge car markets), so will keep the ole fingers crossed.

Btw, I guess she lied to me as she clearly answered when the call went to her “Hello this is Mrs. Rossella with the technical team how can I help you”. maybe one of you really smart guys on here can call her up and ask her some teal tech questions to see if she really is (I’m not smart enough for that, see I’m honest ).

I also agree we all purchased these vehicles with the known sound/ADAS issues, but to be fair and again coming from a huge pro Grenadier guy, many dealers are telling buyers about future software updates coming down the road to fix some of that, which now we know is not happening. So that could have affected some people buying, not me I was all in and still am btw. This was just a little bump in the road. Luckily the Grenny’s are built just that thing (bumps,trails, rocks).

Sounds like sales people trying to get a sale by suggesting something that won't happen but 'possibly could' and in doing so is causing more grief for the brand than is deserved.