water leak at Safari Roof

[Captain Benno]

My agent stated that one of the vehicles they are about to receive (not mine) has 26hrs worth of "advisories".
Not sure what's on the list though, but I assume the safari windows on mine will be attended to.

I reckon that’s mine Tazzieman! Picking it up today. First one in the little island. It has certainly been a process. At the dealer for 30 days pre - delivery. Hope yours turns up soon

 

[RoyalWulff]

The agents are learning on our cars

Helps to explain why we will se a modest price bump. My expectation is that many of these smaller things will be fixed.

 

[Sam]

Helps to explain why we will se a modest price bump. My expectation is that many of these smaller things will be fixed.

My expectation too... probably already have been. Doesn't help these early cars of course, which will be subject to a lot of irritating 'campaigns'.

Surely this forum - and posts like this - are a God-send for Ineos. Free, real world fault-finding, reporting back in real time. Brilliant.

I doubt any other owner-group would do this so happily. Would Range Rover owners do this?!

 

[anand]

I doubt any other owner-group would do this so happily. Would Range Rover owners do this?!

Pretty much every vehicle forum I've been on for the past 25 years does this when a new model is released...

 

[MilesD]

As mentioned before in some other threads, I have a water infiltration in my car.
As my garage didn't find it yet, and as I picked up my car last week, I tried to find it myself!

I am sometimes wondering if my Grenadier is a refurbished Land Rover Defender!

How did I do?
• Car leaned slightly to the right (approximately 2°)
• Removed upper side panels (both sides) and sunshade (passenger side)
• Removed Safari Roofs
• Stopper placed on the safari roof drain pipe (funnel serving as a stopper)
• Water poured into the gutter of the safari roof
• Water exits through the hole of the sunshade or through the right post.
• If I were to lean the car to the left, the water would come out on the left, same place.
PLEASE DO NOT focus on the funnel, the funnel acts as a “cork”, or “stopper”, the water seeps in through the black gasket, not through the funnel.

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The leak comes from the gasket of the safari window, I think only from the right (passenger).
Photo below is of the left side, I think only the right side is leaking, but it's along the gasket that the water slowly seeps in! Water always remains in the drainage gutter, because the entrance of the drainage pipe is higher than the gutter, which is clearly a design flaw!

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I did ask Google translate to help me in writing this, it is a translation from Dutch. Because I did send this to my dealer Hedin this morning.

I am curious "how" they will reply. And how "fast"!

I can corroborate. IG @ 5-7 degree angle pointed up a slope, 12 hrs of constant rain (it was on shap fell so to be expected in summer . Water had tracked to rhs passenger pillar head lining. Only potential ingress area would be seals as drain hole was highest point. Though I did wonder if was condensation after a 3hr drive with 4 passengers having left the vehicle to camp, as drips were minor.

 

[DaBull]

I can corroborate. IG @ 5-7 degree angle pointed up a slope, 12 hrs of constant rain (it was on shap fell so to be expected in summer . Water had tracked to rhs passenger pillar head lining. Only potential ingress area would be seals as drain hole was highest point. Though I did wonder if was condensation after a 3hr drive with 4 passengers having left the vehicle to camp, as drips were minor.

Hi, To those forum members who's Safari Windows are leaking and maybe causing stains to the headliner, here is a product to remove any stains from both the headliner and any fabric. It is called Folex and easily available on Amazon and elsewhere. Here's a link to my previous post which details my experience and instructions on how to use the product. DaBull

Wet feet

They must have changed something at the sealings… mine with Vin xx26xx is dry, doesn’t care how it’s parked, flat, nose up, nose down.

www.theineosforum.com

 

[emax]

here is a product to remove any stains from both the headliner and any fabric

That's an INEOS job, not ours.

 

[DaBull]

That's an INEOS job, not ours.

Yes, unless your like me and you leave your moon roof or safari windows a bit open and spray your car off, LOL. DaBull

 

[emax]

But the topic is "water leak at Safari Roof".

 

[Jean Mercier]

But the topic is "water leak at Safari Roof".

If you leave your Safari roofs open (happened to me for the third time two days ago) you have also a leak, a very big one

 

[Eric]

Yes, unless your like me and you leave your moon roof or safari windows a bit open and spray your car off, LOL. DaBull

Err, that's not down to Ineos. I think the phraseology is " human error"

 

[Krabby]

Related but unrelated side note - not to high jack, but...

A serious moment of anger, frustration, and horror - watching my Discovery II go through an automated car wash (conveyor style where you watch from inside) with not one, but BOTH sunroofs open. Longest 10 minutes of my life waiting for that to be over!

 

[Orcmurd]

I was thinking more of the initial penetration of the seal by the standing water with regard to your comment that the drain hole is higher.

I'm thinking that the seal may be tested to a standard that involves a time factor. Isn't the vehicle wading limited to 20 minutes?

So it could pass a bench test but fail in your real world situation.


I guess there's at least two elements, the bag itself which may be fine when dried, but water is never pure, so there will be some contaminates; and the propellant. The latter may be more problematic.

I see, almost week in and week out, vehicle recalls for airbags where risk of moisture in the propellant, means the airbag will not deploy fully or in the desired timeframe, or mostly critically in an unphased manner such that metal fragments of the container can be expelled in the direction of the passengers.

I think airbags are folded and a fine powder is used to act as a ‘lubricant’ to ensure the quick and smooth deployment of the airbag. This causes the white haze seen when an airbag is deployed.

 

[Jean Mercier]

Longest 10 minutes of my life waiting for that to be over!

Excuse me for laughing...

Do like me, I only wash my car once a year, by hand

 

[MilesD]

Related but unrelated side note - not to high jack, but...

A serious moment of anger, frustration, and horror - watching my Discovery II go through an automated car wash (conveyor style where you watch from inside) with not one, but BOTH sunroofs open. Longest 10 minutes of my life waiting for that to be over!

Apologies for laughing, but that really is operator error…..to be fair though, launching a boat, and opening the hilux drivers door to check the seawater level was not my finest moment…….l

 

[emax]

If you leave your Safari roofs open (happened to me for the third time two days ago) you have also a leak, a very big one

Then, my fuel tank seems to have a leak as well: Every time I come back home there is less in it than before.

 

[Jean Mercier]

Then, my fuel tank seems to have a leak as well: Every time I come back home there is less in it than before.

There is a simple trick to solve that problem, please follow my advice: continue driving, at a certain moment it won't leak anymore

 

[Jean Mercier]

I had to be at 2 km from my dealer today and jumped in.
I didn't go immediately to the Grenadier showroom as I do usually but did go to the the desk and asked if the manager was in.
"Do you have an appointment?" they asked, "No I answered, but I don't have any feedback on my problems"

To keep the story shorter ...
After 10 minutes the manager came in and I complained about the lack of feedback, he wasn't happy.
For my airco problem, I know they are awaiting a delivery from Ineos. So OK, not their fault.

For the water leak (at the seal of the gutter, see above) I asked him if they contacted Ineos, and I think they didn't, but he didn't answer my question.
I told him Ineos was aware of this problem and he said that he was unaware, but yes they knew about some problems with the drain tube.

Finally we looked together at my car and I explained verbally my diagnosis.

And tonight I had the following response (Google translate, is really very OK):
"At your request, we are in contact with Ineos about this. Apart from the cases with the drainage pipes, there are indeed known cases where there is seepage along the mounting gutter of the rubbers (too little sealant from the factory)."

What else did I hear:

• my "airco part" has been shipped
• no real known date for a software update
• and in the neighborhood of the Belgian city of Liège there will be another independent maintenance workshop soon

 

[DCPU]

"At your request, we are in contact with Ineos about this"

Sounds like they were reluctant to contact them on their own account?

 

[Jean Mercier]

"At your request, we are in contact with Ineos about this"

Sounds like they were reluctant to contact them on their own account?

At my "second" request ... the first was an e-mail with my diagnosis, the second was today, verbally, when I showed my anger!

They are or

• reluctant
• too proud
• too lazy
• don't believe the customer
• too busy

Showing my unhappiness helped