UK specific petrol/diesel ban for new vehicles 2030

[landmannnn]

Just thinking out loud really.

The current UK government have doubled down on no new petrol or diesel cars and vans from 2030. So only EVs or hybrids.

So while the current government will be out in 2029 and the replacement will overturn this immediately I suspect.. What if not?

- The IG as is cannot be sold, no dealer network will exist
- Servicing, warranty and repair may be a challenge with no dealers
- Can IA produce a hybrid version?
- Can the IG run on efuel, if that is to be exempted
- Used values will soar for certain

Just rambling really.

 

[Tom D]

I expect this will be dropped. EV sales are not where the government hoped. And we’ll likely have a new (more sensible) government before then.

Highly likely in fact.

 

[Cheshire cat]

I opted for diesel on the basis that trucks are a long way from being electrified.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Can they all be registered as commercials and bypass it that way?

 

[Cheshire cat]

Mine is N1 commercial with every extra bar the winch. (Which I now regret not opting for)

 

[landmannnn]

Can they all be registered as commercials and bypass it that way?

Currently vans are in the ban, not hgvs of course.

 

[artschool]

life is too short to worry about this and there is nothing we can do to change what happens

 

[Rab]

Could always import one until they plug that loophole.

 

[DenisM]

The later BMW B57 and B58 engines are fitted with 48V "mild hybrid" system.
Given the precarious state of the electricity grid in Europe and VW planning a shutdown of 10 factories with tens of thousands potentially out of work, I suspect the political landscape on these issues will change significantly in the next 18m.... " 'Tis my fervent hope!"
Probably explains also why car theft is on the rapid rise. ... . organised crime is sending stolen cars by the container load as fast as they can from the UK, Australia, Canada etc to the Middle East ...for parts? Then they can corner online marketplaces for spares for the existing worldwide fleet of rapidly appreciating used ICE vehicles..

 

[Jiman01]

life is too short to worry about this and there is nothing we can do to change what happens

Life is too short NOT to do something about it considering you live there and vote for those elected into office.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Currently vans are in the ban, not hgvs of course.

Oh really? I didn’t know that, what a crazy idea. Well, no reason they couldn’t be hybrid I suppose but pure electric vans are a way off being practical in terms of load capacity, range, performance and uptime.

 

[Eric]

Life is too short NOT to do something about it considering you live there and vote for those elected into office.

Actually that's not correct, I don't know how aware you are of the UK voting system. I say UK but the Scottish system is completely different. But in the UK General Election of the people that actually voted, 26% voted for the current government. 74% didn't vote for them. But our first past the post system still meant they got a landslide number of seats in Parliament. The other 74% was spread over at least 6 other parties.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

100% agree Eric, this is for another thread but FPTP is a grossly undemocratic system

 

[Emil]

This might become relevant well before 2030, at least within (Continental) Europe:

In Germany, e.g., already today sales and initial traffic registrations are based on a special permit for vehicles from discontinued series issued on 19 June 2024 by the German Federal Motor Transport Authority (Kraftfahrtbundesamt) under European laws and regulations. The exemption is limited until 6 July 2025 and covers 695 vehicles. The exemption expressly states that it cannot be extended.

It would appear that as a consequence, it will no longer be permissible to market, sell, and first register a Grenadier after 6 July 2025 in Germany unless technical modifications are made to the engine/exhaust system so that the vehicles will meet applicable stricter standards.

Maybe Ineos will again use modified versions of existing BMW B57/B58 engines? My wife drives a BMW M440i with the petrol B58, a mild hybrid and to me, an exceptionally good system - like the B58 in my MY 2024 Quartermaster.

 

[Emil]

The Certificate of Conformity mentions "Euro 6" but to my understanding market authorization was based on Euro 6d, while 6e will be required in the future. My German registration expressly references the exemption, "first registration until 6 July 2025," as required by the exemption issued to the manufacturer.

 

[CRH]

Sadly our politicians tell us what we want rather than getting out into the wider world and actually finding out what we want.
All the sensible people with a balanced outlook look can see it's a compromise, whereas the politicians listen to the small but vocal ones with a blinkered outlook on how things work and live in an ideal reality.
Hopefully we eventually influence our politicians to see sence, but not hopeful as that is a rare thing and as they don't live in the real world and will never understand it.
Watching them on TV in run up to UK elections was a joke, as someone who is interested in politics i found it a complete turn off, they are no better when being interviewed on news programmes.
To be a politician you seem to have to be single minded and therefore your views will always be skewed and not balanced.
There are politicians around the world including UK, that advocate and are signed up to an organisation whos aim is traffic free cities, Sadie Khan is one, they do not want us to have the freedoms that we currently enjoy, all in the name of 'our own protection'.
Parts of the SNP want to eliminate all (not even 1) road accidents. Will this mean driving during this latest spell of bad weather should be banned. How on earth can they achieve this??

Guardian news last couple of days, articles on global warming, just in case we forget about it during the freezing temperatures, burning fossil fuels to blame. I'm not arguing one way or the other but again, no balanced views on how the word, with all the people on it will live.

Sorry for the long post, ultimately, we, Grenadier drivers or other, are all stuffed.

Got that off my chest

 

[artschool]

Life is too short NOT to do something about it considering you live there and vote for those elected into office.

you can tell you live in America. there is absolutely no chance of our UK politicians changing their minds. it will take a market failure (which we are starting to see) before the date gets moved along.

 

[Eric]

you can tell you live in America. there is absolutely no chance of our UK politicians changing their minds. it will take a market failure (which we are starting to see) before the date gets moved along.

And to make matters worse I have just had info from Scottish Government ( as a Community Councillor) on their proposals in Scotland to reduce the 60MPH limit on cars on single carriageways to 50mph. Although HGVs will be upped to 50mph. Along with the lower drink drive limit than England,they are really punishing car drivers in Scotland.

 

[landmannnn]

They really don't understand the situation. Most accidents are caused by people breaking the laws that already exist.

Creating new laws won't make a jot of a difference.

 

[hus-iq]

They really don't understand the situation. Most accidents are caused by people breaking the laws that already exist.

Creating new laws won't make a jot of a difference.

They only want to be seen as doing something, they don't care what it is. And they want to suck dry people of all money so their mates can buy up land and property cheaply. That and make more money on fines.

Parallel to Heathrow Airport on the M4 they always have 60 limit with the signs saying "to improve air quality". This country is a joke and things are going to get a lot worse over the next 10 years.