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That was me taking the video from the back seat
This was the vehicle and next circuit I drove it even faster and also around a lot of twists and bends.
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Not fair - that's the rare Ineos Nurburgring/Nordschleife model - it set the new ring record at 5:18:18 - beating the 919 Evo's record. It's supposed to steer like that....

 
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This was the vehicle and next circuit I drove it even faster and also around a lot of twists and bends.
It's surprisingly fun to throw through twisty mountain roads at speed
 

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Not fair - that's the rare Ineos Nurburgring/Nordschleife model - it set the new ring record at 5:18:18 - beating the 919 Evo's record. It's supposed to steer like that....

This was the track in Perth WA
Off road section at the top was grass, dirt and sand and it was raining lightly at the time.
On road section was the thinner tar roads.
The Mt Tamborine Queensland drive was in sub rainforest loose dirt, creek crossings and up and down hills.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCPhsliR2mM
 

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Am I being a bit sensitive here or are there people on this board, who think I am not “qualified” to own or drive an IG ?
 

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Am I being a bit sensitive here or are there people on this board, who think I am not “qualified” to own or drive an IG ?
IMO anyone who has piloted an ancient Land Rover on a public road doing at least 50mph is qualified to drive any make of car.
And as a bonus would have the strength to pull a sailor off his sister.
 
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Step one ~ rule out the driver...

So that's absolutely not fair.
The steering is going to have a different 'feel' to the more normal rack and pinion.
The set up requires a little more input from the driver to generate 'turn' (i've read) and the turning circle is 'lazy'.

The steering should be very tight/precise, there is very little slop in the system, by design.
The steering won't feel too heavy as the hydraulic assist will hold the steering arm offering the inverse amount of force to turn the steering wheel.

Its a complex geometry but when you rotate the steering wheel an arm (the pitman arm or drag link) pulls and pushes 'tie rods' that connect to the steering arm on each wheel.
The wheels themseves are 'hung' between and upper and a lower control arm and turn around that pivot.
The bottom pivot can be moved away or towards the car which sets the camber.

It can all go wrong in several places.
Everything has a set distance and all of the control arms will be ajusted to a pre-determined length, then the whole lot is bolted together at the factory.
I imagine (I don't know) that the last component to be added is the steering wheel.

There is a tolerance to everything.
Having a steering wheel 'exactly' parallel/straight I imagine is a bit of a trick +/- 2 degrees I would think is achievable.

It's possible that there is a slight difference in the lengths of the control arms. if one is just a millimeter out I can imagine that by the time we get to the steering wheel it's induced a rotational error.
If the other side has an offset in the trackrod end then the steering wheel could be further thrown off 'level'.

There are a number of things I will do when/if I get my new Grenny-QM.
I will take the wheels off and grease everything.
I will remove the track tod ends and grease all of the adjustment points.
I will wire brush any bare steel/surface rusted part and coat them with a rust convertor (Dinitrol RC900 is my goto).
I will top up the PAS res.
I will then take my new car to a local steering specialist and have the steeing steup so its 100%.

Then I will spray it all underneath with Lanoguard and spend the next few weeks telling people I ran over a sheep "Can you still smell it ?"

The steering specialist will ensure the steering wheel is dead center and then adjust the steering .
If he cant, because the act of having the wheel level means the pitman arm is offset or an adjuster is on its limit, then it's back to Ineos to get the wheel centralised.
If would have to be a long way off to be that serious.

Do we know if the steering wheel clamps on a flat or on a spline (ie. can it be adjusted without moving the pitman arm) ?
 
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Do we know if the steering wheel clamps on a flat or on a spline (ie. can it be adjusted without moving the pitman arm) ?
Are flat clamps a modern thing?
 

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Am I being a bit sensitive here or are there people on this board, who think I am not “qualified” to own or drive an IG ?
Yes you are being sensitive
Not sure there is such a thing as being qualified.
Some people may think there is.
But really this could be the first vehicle you have ever owned or the 100th.
Just remember that opinions are like arseholes.
Everyone has one and mostly they are full of shit
 

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Am I being a bit sensitive here or are there people on this board, who think I am not “qualified” to own or drive an IG ?
If you have the cash and a drivers license, you are qualified. Not everyone is well suited to own one though, but that’s up to you.
 

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To all you disbelievers.

Watch this 11 minutes into video "steering rock solid at 140Kmh = 87MPH" (cut and paste)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBaSQSmD-4g


My Grenadier is not safe or comfortable at 60/mph, confirmed by my agent, so what does that tell you.

I'm begining to think all these drivers who cite inexperience are inexperienced.
 
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To all you disbelievers.
My Grenadier is not safe or comfortable at 60/mph, confirmed by my agent, so what does that tell you.

I beleive you.
Take it to a tyre place and have the steering checked. Yes it will cost you £50 but:
A. you'll know
B. it's instant

I'm struggling with disbelief regarding how Ineos are 'dealing' with these faults.
You take you car back to the 'agent' and he/she calls someone else to tell them what to do ..... can't these people tie their own shoe laces ?

I get it with software issues etc
 
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Perhaps I’m not following or understanding all of the issues here, but wouldn’t the ineos dealer that you purchased the Grenadier from be able to diagnose/verify your concerns with the steering by driving and/or placing the vehicle on an alignment rack - and then make any necessary adjustments. If symptoms/issues still persist and/or if the dealer determines that it’s a defective product - then, it’s the dealers responsibility (not yours) to work with the manufacturer to correct. Meanwhile, the dealer should give you a loaner vehicle for free until they fix it or decide to give you a new vehicle. Is this not the case for anyone having issues with steering? Does your ineos dealership not have mechanics/technicians onsite? If not, I’d do what @Miki recommends above and then make sure to give the receipt for the repairs to the dealer so they can reimburse you for their lack of services.
 

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This was the track in Perth WA
Off road section at the top was grass, dirt and sand and it was raining lightly at the time.
On road section was the thinner tar roads.
The Mt Tamborine Queensland drive was in sub rainforest loose dirt, creek crossings and up and down hills.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCPhsliR2mM
David - do you have a good local dealer that could give info on who makes the roo bar for the Grenadier. They are not an option in the US and IG has not been responsive with any details. Figured the locals in the markets where they are an option might have a better idea
 

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David - do you have a good local dealer that could give info on who makes the roo bar for the Grenadier. They are not an option in the US and IG has not been responsive with any details. Figured the locals in the markets where they are an option might have a better idea
The bars are made by EGR
https://www.egrgroup.com/
 
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