Sold after 11 months of ownership. My final post and final thoughts.

[Guardian]

So many owners experiencing problems with leaking safari’s and Dorris gaskets etc. no excuse for the lack of quality control at hambach. Those guys are always on coffee break while the robots work

 

[anand]

So many owners experiencing problems with leaking safari’s and Dorris gaskets etc. no excuse for the lack of quality control at hambach. Those guys are always on coffee break while the robots work

Having walked the entire factory floor myself, it's really quite the opposite

 

[Max]

catastrophic problems ....“rigourous” testing was simply staged.... they could build it in FRANCE of all places.

You are somewhat misinformed. Yes It was Built in Hambach with parts manufactured from all corners of the world. Don't believe everything you read and hear, only believe what you see and not what you think.

 

[ADVAW8S]

You are somewhat misinformed. Yes It was Built in Hambach with parts manufactured from all corners of the world. Don't believe everything you read and hear, only believe what you see and not what you think.

Don't worry, he needs to take a test from the Toyota land cruiser forum where people are complaining about the catastrophic failure that Toyota is having with their engines. Rumor has it, after they left the post, they moved on to Jeep forum to drop some pearls of wisdom.

 

[MTNDOG]

So many owners experiencing problems with leaking safari’s and Dorris gaskets etc. no excuse for the lack of quality control at hambach. Those guys are always on coffee break while the robots work

Mine doesn't have any Dorris gaskets, should I be concerned?

 

[Tazzieman]

Mine doesn't have any Dorris gaskets, should I be concerned?

I think we all harbour concerns for the Guardian.

 

[mcdoogs]

"Catastophic problems" is a bit much, but then so is the inevitable defensive forum brigade. Balance in all things I guess

 

[CrazyOldMan]

"Catastophic problems" is a bit much, but then so is the inevitable defensive forum brigade. Balance in all things I guess

How dare you say we’re defensive! Who said we’re defensive? Who have you been talking to and what did they say about us?

 

[MMICHAELS]

Meh - everyone has their own tolerance. Driving Land Rovers (Defenders) since '97 has uniquely prepared me to own a Grenadier. My A/C works wayyyyyyyy better than it ever did in a Land Rover, the FAV circus is after all pushing a button - which hasn't caused any injuries to date, and I have nowhere near the level of anxiety I did about having to fix stuff like I did with the Defender's. The range feels a little stupid, but so what - I'll just carry gas on the sides and hope I don't blow up. Made it to Ft Davis and back - never really worried too much about getting gas - and there are some long stretches out to the Big Bend area. Plus the magic mushroom matches the dirt almost exactly where I use it. Never looks dirty, or probably to some always looks dirty.

I'm 22,000 miles in.

 

[mcdoogs]

Meh - everyone has their own tolerance. Driving Land Rovers (Defenders) since '97 has uniquely prepared me to own a Grenadier. My A/C works wayyyyyyyy better than it ever did in a Land Rover, the FAV circus is after all pushing a button - which hasn't caused any injuries to date, and I have nowhere near the level of anxiety I did about having to fix stuff like I did with the Defender's. The range feels a little stupid, but so what - I'll just carry gas on the sides and hope I don't blow up. Made it to Ft Davis and back - never really worried too much about getting gas - and there are some long stretches out to the Big Bend area. Plus the magic mushroom matches the dirt almost exactly where I use it. Never looks dirty, or probably to some always looks dirty.

I'm 22,000 miles in.

Yeah I do think the small gas tank was an interesting choice given the marketing, but I also do agree there are very few places in the continental US that it'd become a real concern. Australia, Africa, central Asia though has huge tracts of land where you probably want to be carrying a heavy load of extra fuel when on adventure.

That or towing. Towing anything 5-6k lbs on a 23 gallon tank is torture lol. I havent towed my Oliver travel trailer (~6200lbs wet) with the grenny yet but I'd guess based on experience it cuts fuel efficiency in roughly half, so that means stopping every 150 miles or so.

 

[homeyclaus]

You are somewhat misinformed. Yes It was Built in Hambach with parts manufactured from all corners of the world. Don't believe everything you read and hear, only believe what you see and not what you think.

Smart car factory, smart car problems?

Seriously most of the problems would not be problems if the manual were available and the software were open.

 

[Max]

"Catastophic problems" is a bit much, but then so is the inevitable defensive forum brigade. Balance in all things I guess

Not only Built in France... not defensive but assault specialists...so watch out

What is the origin of the word grenadier?

A grenadier (/ˌɡrɛnəˈdɪər/ GREN-ə-DEER, French: [ɡʁənadje]; derived from the word grenade) was historically an assault-specialist soldier who threw hand grenades in siege operation battles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenadier

 

[DaveB]

I have never seen an Australian drinking Fosters, and I've lived here 54 years

I was in England for work at a place called Leigh-on-sea, back in 1999 and went out for dinner at the local pub with the company I was seeing.
They asked if I wanted a beer and they returned with a pint of something that had once resided in a cat.
Turns out it was Fosters because it was Australian.
I changed to a Boddingtons (Boddies) which was on tap.

 

[DaveB]

in light of the incredibly numerous reports of catastrophic problems with this machine, I would suggest all of the WORLD ROUND “rigourous” testing was simply staged. Shame on Ineos for seducing us to believe you had a real thing. And shame on us for thinking they could build it in FRANCE of all places.

I assume you meant your comment as a joke.
The build quality is better than most and pretty damn good, but for the price I expect that.

I just had a Great Wall Motors Tank 300 as a loan vehicle and I thought that for a AUD$50,000 vehicle it was pretty good value and well built.
When I got back into the Grenadier I felt like I was climbing into a tank.

 

[MileHigh]

I do have to say that I didn’t have “Own a French Car” on my life bingo card… but here we are…

 

[Karearea]

Australians, esp young ones, drink Corona. They have baby tastes , and are very susceptible to marketing.
Gnat's piss is how my late father would have described it!

And all Corona is now brewed in PRC, so as well as being gnat’s piss it has questionable production imho

 

[MileHigh]

And all Corona is now brewed in PRC, so as well as being gnat’s piss it has questionable production imho

Just for the Asian/Australia-NZ market… we get the real stuff here in the US.

 

[Tergosa]

Just now seeing this post and all the negativity and issues. I have had absolutely no problems with mine, love every unique aspect of it, and the local Red Nolan dealer is great. They say a difference of opinion is what makes a great horse race. Keeping mine forever.

 

[Walter]

Just now seeing this post and all the negativity and issues. I have had absolutely no problems with mine, love every unique aspect of it, and the local Red Nolan dealer is great. They say a difference of opinion is what makes a great horse race. Keeping mine forever.

Red Nolan seems to be the best INEOS dealership so far—there are so many positive posts about them.

 

[Zimm]

Probably a bit like Corona and “La Cerveza mas fina” - what they really mean is “here, drink some piss water, gringo.” It’s an “export product.”

I'm pretty sure corona is the largest selling beer in mexico proper. With Pacifico and Modello, and sol I'm not certain why, but. It's only the stupid lime thats American.