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Thoughts after 15k in 3 months

A1B2C3D4

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So just wanted to chime in here because I think you hit the nail on the head.

I'm old & busted these days but my Dad has ordered himself a Grenadier ... he fell it love with the way it looked when it was announced, but he had recently got a brand-new, top of the line, decked out Ford Bronco Wildtrak. He has subsequently confessed that he never really liked it, he was getting it because he knew I loved it... well it's not my car, it makes no sense to own something you really don't like, and so it's going to go away and he's getting a Grenadier. Good for him , he deserves it etc.

Having said that- we both got screwed, and got extremely serendipitous ... I had made a first-24-hr Reservation for the Bronco, but the night the website went live, it was completely crashed ... by the time it came back on (having passed midnight now, so I can't claim "First Day", even though it was only like 8 hours from the time they put it live...) - the First Editions were gone, and I would have got one of them but it wasn't possible. And we ordered it like the first day they opened up ordering ... However, Ford wound up experiencing major Coronavirus problems and parts problems and "Supply Chain" issues ... and everything that made a Wildtrak a Wildtrak was a problem ... so we (perhaps unfairly) got bumped from 2021 to 2022 ... and then we were forced to re-order ... but one cool thing, we wanted a Soft Top, at the TIME, Wildtraks' were hardtop madatory, soft-top option, so we were going to have to pay like I forget, was it $7000? for the dual-top group ... but when the orders got bumped and then forced to reorder, Ford did a little changes to the system, and for example, we were allowed to have a soft-top only.

The bigger problem(s) - Ford was unable to get their company partner who made some sort of internal components of the 2.7L EcoBoost V6 to meet it's demands, and the company basically gave up and folded shop "Coronavirus!" ... so they found another company - who produced faulty components which caused more than a few engines to be ruined. I heard this ALSO caused transmission problems down the road - so there were people who had engines kaboomed and Ford said stuff at first "Uhh yeah not our fault..." to "Yes our fault we'll take a look" ... to "Well yeah we realize we have a problem now but no solution at the moment..." - so dudes who got their Broncs right away, blew an engine, and then were devastated to learn their truck has been sitting at the shop for 90+ days while Ford was scrambling to find both a solution to the problem in the first place, AND supply entire new engines they didn't expect to have to produce, for all these people requiring warranty engine replacement... I'll give Ford credit in that they admitted it and made it right in the end but it sucks when it's you... but then also people were complaining about "Well NOW I've got a Tranny problem and it's probably cause of the ENGINE PROBLEM!!!" and I have no idea what is up with that at the moment, I haven't kept up.

My point being - we actually scored out by getting bumped ... the engine problems were completely fixed, we haven't had a single real mechanical issue at all ... the engine runs beautifully IMHO , the transmission is as solid as it gets (it's based off of the one in the Grenadier, no?) and the only problems we've really had have been Electrical Module issues ... which, I admit, it can be a pain when the radio starts doing whatever it wants ... (Also the windows... the rear passenger window would go down 3 times in a row before going up finally... they had to replace some modules and 'reflash' others...) - BUT - I firmly believe and operate in life, If you HAVE TO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS in life , and MOST OF US do , at least from time to time ... it's best to have SMALL Problems..

Applying that to the Grenadier ... I know my old man was disheartened to find out a week after he had ordered and been scheduled for delivery late 2024 ( they actually said they were expecting Christmas Eve, they had a company person tell them they're expecting a certain shipment at a certain time, delivering stuff made in Summer/Fall of this year, and after all the transits & deliveries, they'd probably be doing a lot of closings on Christmas Eve, which was fine by him...) - bumped to Q1/2025 ... but perhaps that's not the worst thing ever... nearly every YouTube review has SOME problem people are nitpicking about ... from just finishing issues & poor hands-on-attention/quality parts & worksmanship finishing to other stuff ... maybe that stuff gets ironed out ... "You know, we've had a thousand complaints that someone isn't putting the So-And-So-Part Together Correctly ... so put it together CORRECTLY ... etc.

I know this ain't the place for it , but it does suck to see the Bronc go. Haven't had so much fun driving a car since I was 17, and that was a long-ass-time-ago lol.
The Grenadier is much better than the Bronco in my opinion. It is a tank versus a light gauge vehicle with big wheels like many other competitors. If you haven't driven one, I'd highly recommend it and just look underneath.

So many engineered items that aren't even typical mentioned like the gyroscope system. It literally adjusts the transmission gears for going uphill vs downhill on its own which I personally have never seen before or never had a vehicle do that. For being so tall it feels like the center of gravity is below your feet.

It is almost like a billionaire engineer had it designed for himself. Oh wait he did. I think the price went up about $4k or $5k in recent months but after initially being concerned and now having one for 6 months, I'd do it again without any hesitation.

Don't put too much faith in schedules 6+ months out. I think their production output is higher now, but if it takes longer, it is worth the wait.

My Grenadier is my daily drive. After the first thousand miles it really loosens up and you get very comfortable with it. I get about 18 or 19 mpg US even with cross bars. Highway at high speeds maybe more like 17ish.

Anyone needing to convince a spouse, I'd recommend saying it is a tank for keeping the family safe and to justify the cost say if you divide $80k over 20 years that is less then $70k over 10 years with a Ford, Chevy, etc. My wife had a a big box Land Rover so other than spending $80k she was all in and loves it.
 

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Hello Everyone,
Now that the cool and novelty factor wore off, I think I am ready to write an unbiased medium-term review :)

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In the last 3 months, my IG was the only vehicle I drove for commuting, family vacations, overlanding, and light off-roading. I drove it by myself, with my son, and occasionally with an extended family of four.


Things I love about this car:

1. Suspension and handling. A joy to drive on mountain roads, on and off-road. The steering is extremely precise. It’s a bit noisy on the highway after 125 Km/h, but very drivable until the soft speed limit of 160 Km/h. It outperforms LC150 on BP51 suspension and LC300 GR Sport on stock suspension. Best suspension and steering on any 4x4 I’ve tried, by far.
2. Heavy duty alternator, factory winch and pre-wiring.
3. Looks, interior, and vibe. It puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
4. Very capable offroad, stock.


Things I dislike but are not deal breakers:

1. Turning radius: Needs getting used to and requires more effort and planning.
2. Sketchy climate control: Needs frequent adjustments.
3. Useless brake traction control: Need to engage lockers more often, requires additional planning because of the sketchy unlocking confirmation.
4. Seats: Despite being Recaro, the comfort feels subpar. Only worse in Toyota 70-series and Dacia Duster.
5. Random false faults and electrical gremlins.
6. Fuel Consumption: 13L/100Km average over the last 2.5k.


Things I dislike and are deal breakers:

1. Fuel and air filter design - smaller surface area and not easy to inspect, clean, or replace. On a 500km dusty drive, I had to clean the air filter 3 times. Compared to Toyota, the process was a pain. Smaller surface area means more frequent replacement and cleaning needed.
2. Undersized air conditioning unit - struggles to cool the interior if outside air exceeds 37°C.
3. Electronics overload - too many things are controlled by computers. Despite marketing claims, the IG has a lot of interconnected electronics (headlights, offroad lights, alarm, window actuators, door locks, wipers, switch panels, climate control, axle lockers, gearbox, engine, wheel speed sensors). One malfunction can lead to multiple issues: faulty door switch means unable to put the car in drive, random check engine light means unable to put the car in off-road mode and unable to activate axle lockers, locking the car from inside while camping triggers the alarm if you try to get out and pee, removing the alarm fuse makes the car enter “transport mode” which disables window motors except for the driver.
4. Special tools, screws, parts design - not engineered for DIY modifications/repairs as advertised. For example, the fuel tank design is intricate and makes aftermarket options out of the question.
5. Materials not fit for hot climates - some plastics warp, and the glue on tape wrap used on wires melts, becoming sticky and messy.
6. Powertrain choice - the B57 engine and gearbox are reliable until they break, and repairs require a BMW workshop or very few specialized workshops. The engine and transmission are complex, making long drives in remote areas like Africa daunting.
7. Limited interior space for overlanding - with the front seats fully forward, there’s only 1.8m of available room. Sleeping in the car with a normal mattress is tight. This is a personal issue, I admit. But I was able to load 2.10m PAX packages from Ikea in a Skoda Octavia, and still had enough space to fit in the driver's seat.
8. Low hanging radiators, hoses, pipes, wiring looms, sensors, sensitive parts. It seems no research has been made in this direction. Some components almost impossible to relocate.
Mate. This is effectively the identical take we (wife and I) have on the Gren after 10 months and 18,000kms. But the wife loves driving it, so it is sticking around. My DMAX tray back work ute is more comfortable (by a million miles) and I let the wife take the Gren nowadays.
 

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I just spent a week in Perth in a Nissan Patrol Ti-L
Overall it was good but not even close to the Grenadier.
The bottom of the windows came 3/4 to shoulder height so armrest useless as well as the window ledge.
I had steering wheel as high as possible but still had to look/slide down to see any speed between 90 and 130 kmh
steering wheel was thin and hard although hydraulic assist was much better than latest electric assist.
Seats were huge, flat and soft. Grenadiers much better
So many buttons on the wheel and none within reach without moving hands.
Bonnet was so high there was no way I could see the corners to park.
the V8 was Ok but so damn thirsty.

Plenty of room and it served me well but....it is a 13 year old design.

I got back to Brisbane after a 5 hour flight and climbed into the Grenadier.
It felt like I had sat down in a comfy chair with a nice single malt.

3.5 hour drive was such a pleasure.
 

trobex

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I just spent a week in Perth in a Nissan Patrol Ti-L
Overall it was good but not even close to the Grenadier.
The bottom of the windows came 3/4 to shoulder height so armrest useless as well as the window ledge.
I had steering wheel as high as possible but still had to look/slide down to see any speed between 90 and 130 kmh
steering wheel was thin and hard although hydraulic assist was much better than latest electric assist.
Seats were huge, flat and soft. Grenadiers much better
So many buttons on the wheel and none within reach without moving hands.
Bonnet was so high there was no way I could see the corners to park.
the V8 was Ok but so damn thirsty.

Plenty of room and it served me well but....it is a 13 year old design.

I got back to Brisbane after a 5 hour flight and climbed into the Grenadier.
It felt like I had sat down in a comfy chair with a nice single malt.

3.5 hour drive was such a pleasure.
3hrs in the GREN and my lumbar is all but rooted! However, the Nissan is just a big big big big heap of metal sucking fuel down while taking up far too much viewable road space!
 

stuart1927

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Hello Everyone,
Now that the cool and novelty factor wore off, I think I am ready to write an unbiased medium-term review :)

View attachment 7864816View attachment 7864815View attachment 7864814

In the last 3 months, my IG was the only vehicle I drove for commuting, family vacations, overlanding, and light off-roading. I drove it by myself, with my son, and occasionally with an extended family of four.


Things I love about this car:

1. Suspension and handling. A joy to drive on mountain roads, on and off-road. The steering is extremely precise. It’s a bit noisy on the highway after 125 Km/h, but very drivable until the soft speed limit of 160 Km/h. It outperforms LC150 on BP51 suspension and LC300 GR Sport on stock suspension. Best suspension and steering on any 4x4 I’ve tried, by far.
2. Heavy duty alternator, factory winch and pre-wiring.
3. Looks, interior, and vibe. It puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
4. Very capable offroad, stock.


Things I dislike but are not deal breakers:

1. Turning radius: Needs getting used to and requires more effort and planning.
2. Sketchy climate control: Needs frequent adjustments.
3. Useless brake traction control: Need to engage lockers more often, requires additional planning because of the sketchy unlocking confirmation.
4. Seats: Despite being Recaro, the comfort feels subpar. Only worse in Toyota 70-series and Dacia Duster.
5. Random false faults and electrical gremlins.
6. Fuel Consumption: 13L/100Km average over the last 2.5k.


Things I dislike and are deal breakers:

1. Fuel and air filter design - smaller surface area and not easy to inspect, clean, or replace. On a 500km dusty drive, I had to clean the air filter 3 times. Compared to Toyota, the process was a pain. Smaller surface area means more frequent replacement and cleaning needed.
2. Undersized air conditioning unit - struggles to cool the interior if outside air exceeds 37°C.
3. Electronics overload - too many things are controlled by computers. Despite marketing claims, the IG has a lot of interconnected electronics (headlights, offroad lights, alarm, window actuators, door locks, wipers, switch panels, climate control, axle lockers, gearbox, engine, wheel speed sensors). One malfunction can lead to multiple issues: faulty door switch means unable to put the car in drive, random check engine light means unable to put the car in off-road mode and unable to activate axle lockers, locking the car from inside while camping triggers the alarm if you try to get out and pee, removing the alarm fuse makes the car enter “transport mode” which disables window motors except for the driver.
4. Special tools, screws, parts design - not engineered for DIY modifications/repairs as advertised. For example, the fuel tank design is intricate and makes aftermarket options out of the question.
5. Materials not fit for hot climates - some plastics warp, and the glue on tape wrap used on wires melts, becoming sticky and messy.
6. Powertrain choice - the B57 engine and gearbox are reliable until they break, and repairs require a BMW workshop or very few specialized workshops. The engine and transmission are complex, making long drives in remote areas like Africa daunting.
7. Limited interior space for overlanding - with the front seats fully forward, there’s only 1.8m of available room. Sleeping in the car with a normal mattress is tight. This is a personal issue, I admit. But I was able to load 2.10m PAX packages from Ikea in a Skoda Octavia, and still had enough space to fit in the driver's seat.
8. Low hanging radiators, hoses, pipes, wiring looms, sensors, sensitive parts. It seems no research has been made in this direction. Some components almost impossible to relocate.
I can relate to quite a bit of this. No deal breakers for me though as I live in a moderate climate which probably suits the Grenadier pretty well. My only gripe is I wish they'd made it more analogue. Old school speedometer, Rev counter and gages would have suited the car much better. My only problem with the car all stem from the sketchy infotainment screen, which has improved with software updates, but 1 year in, I fear it will never be better than barely adequate!
 

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I can relate to quite a bit of this. No deal breakers for me though as I live in a moderate climate which probably suits the Grenadier pretty well. My only gripe is I wish they'd made it more analogue. Old school speedometer, Rev counter and gages would have suited the car much better. My only problem with the car all stem from the sketchy infotainment screen, which has improved with software updates, but 1 year in, I fear it will never be better than barely adequate!
I see there are some analog speedometer phone apps available. I treid , got up to 6km/hr in my hallway at home. Could work on our screens 😄
 
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